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Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Gaynor	Report	27 Dec 2011 16:56
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	OK - names of children with each of Johns Partners No DOB's are in the bible- it is just a list of names With Rosa ALBERT HAROLD SIDNEY (married Hubbys grandmother after William died) With Hannah William brn 1909 ( Hubbys grandfather) Elsia Gladys John AKA Jack
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:01
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Have found John's Service Records: British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: John Henry Thomas Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Age at enlistment: 39 Residence: 4/35 Thomas St, Highgate B'ham Document Year: 1915 Regimental Number: 168922 Regiment Name: MT Learn?? Army Service Cor?? Number of images: 19 He worked in the cycle trade at attestation. Strangely, the sections for wife and children aren't completed. Next of kin is given as his father - Richard Thomas.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:04
	Sidney's birth with mother's maiden name Ratheram? (Rotherham?) Births Dec 1916 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Sidney Ratheram Birmingham 6d 249 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Gaynor	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:04
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Margee Confusing is correct Hannah's sister Mary Rhoda married a Victor Brooks, so I assuming Hannan sent himto live with them. I have this bit in my tree but why know one in the family knew she had been married before I do not know. Again I am sure she is the right Hannah Mapp due to the Bournville/kongs Norton connection. and I can only fine one Hannah C Mapp.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:11
	Just to confuse things further, there seem to be 5 Thomas children born in Birmingham with mother's maiden name Ratheram: Births Sep 1912 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas William H Ratheram Birmingham 6d 299 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1915 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Beatrice Ratheram Birmingham 6d 355 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1916 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Sidney Ratheram Birmingham 6d 249 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1920 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Harold Ratheram Birmingham 6d 425 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1924 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Rosa Ratheram Birmingham 6d 328
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Gaynor	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:14
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Hi Hannahs sister Mary Rhoda married Victor brookes which I have in my tree so assume Hannah sent george to live with them. John H Thomas' kids With Rosa ALBERT HAROLD SIDNEY ( married hubbys grandmother after William died) and with Hannah William brn 1909 ( Hubby's granddad) Elsia Gladys John AKA Jack now you know why i am confussed!!
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,195 Send Message	Joy	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:15
	Message sent to you ten minutes ago: I just put the name Hannah Mapp in http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl and the marriage appeared - last on the screen: Marriages Mar 1918 MAPP Hannah C Thomas Birmingham 6d 435 Click on 435 to find MAPP Hannah C Thomas Birmingham 6d 435 Thomas John H Mapp Birmingham 6d 435 Joy
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:15
	Marriages Dec 1899 Brookes Victor Charles King's N 6c 1013 Mapp Mary Rhoda King's N. 6c 1013
	Researching:
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Gaynor	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:18
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Mmm Prehaps Williams Mum was Rosa and not Hannah, but I understand that a couple of Rosa's children died not long after birth, and often children were called after their dead siblings then. thanks again Gaynor
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 91,700 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:24
	Thought I'd throw this marriage into the 'ring'...it might be nothing but thereagain it might be something! Marriages Jun 1903 Bowkett Herbert King's N. 6c 945 >>>Ratheram Rosina King's N. 6c 945 Reevely Frank King's N. 6c 945 Wright Jane King's N. 6c 945 Not sure which male she married yet
	Researching: Give a dog a bone!
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Gaynor	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:24
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Thanks for the info Joy - strange i could not see this via the Ancestory website - I will send off for the wedding cert.
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Gaynor	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:26
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Ooh Londonebelle !!!!
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:37
	1911 Census - to add more confusion? Name: Rose Thomas [Rose Ratheram] Age in 1911: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: 41 Blucher Street Birmingham Marital Status: Married Occupation: French Polisher Registration district: Birmingham Registration District Number: 384 Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Piece: 18108 Household Members: Name Age Henry Ratheram 51 Rose Ratheram 53 Albert Ratheram 27 Sidney Ratheram 16 Edith Ratheram 15 William Henry Ratheram 29 Alferd Ratheram 25 Edward Victor Ratheram 14 Wilfred Ratheram 20 Rose Thomas 23 Married The last 3 names have been scored out on the image. Against Edward and Wilfred to says deceased.
	Researching:
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:41
	Herbert Bowkett married Jane Wright (they are together on the 1911 census)
	Researching:
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Gaynor	Report	27 Dec 2011 17:54
Member Since: June 2006 Posts: 85 Send Message	Thank you all for your help this evening. All this to find he father of John Henry Thomas! I can find two records for someone with the abover name. both born in B'ham and in tne same year with a brother called William ( which are the facts I am certain) One gives the parents as Richard and Fanny, the other as Edwin and Mary. Hopefully now I can find out ;-)
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 91,700 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	27 Dec 2011 18:13
	Just looked at the Service Record that MC found and it has a next of kin Name & address of next of kin - Richard Thomas, Essington St (looks like) Ladywood Birmingham Relationship - Father
	Researching: Give a dog a bone!
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,195 Send Message	Joy	Report	27 Dec 2011 18:33
	"Thanks for the info Joy - strange i could not see this via the Ancestory website - I will send off for the wedding cert." - You're welcome; always try a free site first when searching :-)
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	27 Dec 2011 18:46
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Perhaps for elimination, this is the 1911 for the Frank Reevely/Rosina Rotheram 1903 marriage: REEVELY, Frank Head Married 7 years M 37 1874 Costs Clerk Bham Warwick REEVELY, Rosina Wife Married F 35 1876 Artist Bham Warwick RATHERMAN, Harriett Mother Widow F 79 1832 Bham Warwick KEEN, Alice Sister Widow F 34 1877 Cook Bham Warwick KEEN, Leslie Nephew M 5 1906 Crew Cheshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Kings Norton Sub District: Smethwick Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Smethwick Address: 6 Clifford Road Smethwick County: Worcestershire

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