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I haven't looked for John and Eliza's marriage yet though that marriage does look promising. John was born in Wantage and two of Caroline's children from her third marriage were registered in Wantage.

Thank you for finding some of her siblings christenings.

Tawny

you had said:

' I can't find any of the births for Caroline or her siblings.'

in case this wasn't available before


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1RW-1QS

Mary Jane Cripps - England Births and Christenings
Name Mary Jane Cripps
Gender Female
Christening Date 09 Oct 1853
Christening Place SAINT GILES,READING,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Cripps
Mother's Name Eliza


children in 1861 census are

Sarah Cripps 14
William Cripps 6
Rachel Cripps 4
Charles Cripps 2/12


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSLN-FT5

Rachel Cripps - England Births and Christenings
Name Rachel Cripps
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 Feb 1857
Christening Place CHADDLEWORTH,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Cripps
Mother's Name Eliza

Births Mar 1857 ?
Cripps Rachel Wantage 2c 288


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKXB-NHW

Charles Cripps - England Births and Christenings
Name Charles Cripps
Gender Male
Christening Date 26 Mar 1861
Christening Place CHADDLEWORTH,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Cripps
Mother's Name Eliza

Births Mar 1861 ?
CRIPPS Charles Wantage 2c 287


were they this marriage?

Marriages Mar 1845
Archer Eliza Wantage 6 325
Cripps John Wantage 6 325

I have three marriages for Caroline in 1869, 1872 and 1875 however you are right it is possible that Caroline was not born Caroline. One of my great great grandfathers was born Henry then christened as John Henry and used Henry, John Henry and Harry which made him an interesting person to track.

Tawny

on the possibility that she was really someone else's child reared by the Cripps couple as their own

these are the Carolines born in Newbury reg dist who could have been 1 yr old in the 1851 census

Births Jun 1849
Cooper Caroline Elizabeth Newbury 6 231
Hughes Caroline Newbury 6 229

Births Sep 1849
Rowles Caroline Lizard Newbury 6 207

Births Jun 1850
French Caroline Newbury 6 236
Thorn Caroline Newbury 6 221

Cooper, Hughes, Thorn and French (mistranscribed Franck and corrected at Ancestry) are in the 1851 census

I don't see Rowles, or see a death for her before the census or any other record

I wouldn't mind having a grx3 grmother named Caroline Lizard ... beats my Sarah Smith :-)

(Lizard is an exclusively Devon surname likely confined to one family)


these two Rowles children

Births Jun 1848
Rowles Frederick Newbury 6 211
Births Jun 1851
ROWLES Albert Newbury 6 231

the others born around the same time, are in the 1851 with parents William and Ann (Albert as 'infant')

there is a nurse present in their household ... a younger child could have been sent out

possibly that Caroline was their child and had died but the death wasn't registered

> just adding here to rule out


I have actually seen the names Charlotte and Caroline interchanged more than once

(like Edwin Edward Edmund, Eleanor Ellen, etc)

Births Jun 1850
Cripps Charlotte Newbury 6 236

BUT she appears with parents William and Ann in 1851


it was not unheard of for someone to be registered under one name and called another all their life, so I considered this one too

Births Dec 1849
CRIPPS Elizabeth Newbury 6 227

but she too is with parents in 1851


I just wanted to say thanks for returning to the old thread with all the info in it rather than starting a new one :-)

Thank you for looking.

Tawny

I've had a look and can't see her. Maybe she was just missed off the rest of the family?

There is a 'C C' at a school born 1849, but its miles away and place of birth is wrong.

Andy

I was wondering if anyone could possibly locate Caroline Cripps on the 1861 census?

I have now confirmed that the Caroline Cripps that Rose found on the 1851 census with parents John and Eliza is indeed my ggg grandmother.

I managed to locate John and Eliza on the 1861 census however Caroline was not with them and I wondered if anyone could find her?

Tawny

Ordering certs for Mary Ann Major and Mary Bly when new year rush over with.

Tawny

You might want to start with Mary Ann's birth cert. to confirm Caroline's maiden is actually Cripps.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1288590

Rose

Hopefully yes it will. This started off as try to find four sets of missing ggg grandparents two hours ago. Three sets proved fairly easy to get info on to order certs to confirm. Caroline has deffinately been the most difficult although also the most interesting.

Tawny

Obviously............

When you obtain one of her marriage certs, you'll have some factual info (hopefully) about her father

Thank you for finding that. Hannahs daughter Caroline is too young to be the right one.

Tawny

1871 for the baptism posted by Derek

Name: Caroline Cripps
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Hannah Cripps
Gender: Female
Where born: Chaddleworth, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Chaddleworth
Town: Chaddleworth
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wantage
Sub-registration district: Ilsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 79
Piece: 1269
Folio: 51
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Cripps 44
Caroline Cripps 9

Chaddleworth and Leckhampstead are right next to each other.

I think it's probably the Caroline Rose found in 1851. I can't find any of the births for Caroline or her siblings.

Rose

1911 also has it as Chadlesworth

1901 has her birthplace Chadlesworth

Frederick was her first husband Alfred Palmers son but was born after Alfred died.

so does the 1891

1871 has her born Leckhampstead.

Rose