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yes i will obtain the marriage cert i only just found the marriage this evening you see

Alex,

Without the marriage cert you will be following the wrong families.

You have no idea what the middle name of Arthur actually is or when and where he died.

No idea of how old they were when they married or the names & occupations of their fathers from the marriage cert.

Maureen

and there is an esther eliza smith born brighton 1858 which fits in with the census but theres also an esther blaber born 1859 which also fits :(

Yes, it is normal for both to show if there are 2 brides with the same first name and the same reference numbers.

However, you still need to get the marriage certificate of Kippen/Miles otherwise you could be tracing completely the wrong family.

Ancestry only has the transcriptions of the 1841 to 1901 Scottish census

Civil registration began in Scotland in 1855.

Which ever way you look at it you need the MARRIAGE CERT

i put in to free bmd that spouse name peter miles and both the esthers came up is that normal ?

One of the Ester's married the other groom (Charles Willson).

i have found the marriage for peter miles to esther its 1886 brighton but esthers surname is either smith or blaber...... they both have the same ref number is that normal ?

yes catherine that looks to me like the right information and family thank you so much

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MILES, Peter Head Married M 52 1859 Carter On Farm Heyshort Sussex VIEW
MILES, Esther Wife Married
25 years F 52 1859 Sussex Brighton VIEW
MILES, Arthur Son M 14 1897 Farm Labourer Sussex Brighton VIEW
MILES, William Son M 12 1899 School Sussex Brighton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5173 Reference:
RG14PN5173 RD80 SD1 ED21 SN248

Registration District:
Steyning Sub District:
Preston Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Preston

Address:
Home Farm Moulsecombe Lewes Road Brighton County:
Sussex

1911

Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
Miles Arthur James Brighton 2b 240
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ok its not available on ancestry etc?

Scotlandspeople - which is a pay to view site

BUT you need the marriage cert first before spending money on viewing birth certs on Scotlandspeople

ok if indeed nellie was scottish is there no way of looking up a birth ?

You really need the marrige cert. to find out how old the couple were when they married. Without this info you can't hope to find a definate birth record.

the census above does tie in with catherines census due to dates doesnt it? that also looks like it could be nellies death fits the area

This would go with patchems 1896 Arthur:-

UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1963 about Arthur J Miles
Name: Arthur J Miles
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1896
Age: 17
Residence Date: 18 Jun 1914
Station: Brighton
Company: London, Brighton and South Coast
Class Number: 414
Piece: 625
Description: Staff, with rates of pay, in the carriage Department 1914-1924

Sheer speculation
1911
CLARK, Charles Head Married M 43 1868 Gardener Jobbing Chelsea London
CLARK, Elizabeth Wife Married 22 years F 45 1866 Leighton Bazzard Bed
xxx KEPPEN, Ellen Servant F 14 1897 Domestic Servant Clapham London
SAVIOR, James Boarder Single M 51 1860 Dock Labourer Manchester
ROVEL, Edwin Boarder Married M 67 1844 Dock Labourer Leighton Bucks
ROVEL, Jone Boarder F 66 1845 Leighton Bucks
ROVEL, Jone Boarder Single M 42 1869 Tailor Leighton Bucks
CLARK, Edwin Son Single M 20 1891 Sailor Sussex Newhaven

RG number: RG14 Piece: 5075 Reference: RG14PN5075 RG78PN225 RD78 SD1 ED4 SN85
Registration District: Newhaven Sub District: Newhaven Enumeration District: 4 Parish: Newhaven
Address: 3 West View Terrace Newhaven County: Sussex

Kippen is a London surname.

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Nellie Miles
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1895
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1977
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 0238

Good find Catherine