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Hi here iam again ,desperately seeking any information on a betty or bessie allen ,the only definate information i have is what is on my great grandfathers birth cert he was born in 1888 in newton abbott his mother registered him .and her name on cert is betty allen occupation dress maker the address is hard to read but its somthing along the lines of 2 summerfield terrace newton abbott in sub district of torquay it also has wsd unsure what that means. no father on birth cert .if anybody can come up with any thing at all i will so greatfull
nigella

Have you found your gt grandfather on the 1891 census ?

Is your gt. grandfather one of these?

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
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ALLEN Alfred Stanley Newton A 5b 142
ALLEN Ernest William Newton A 5b 141

hi in 1891 my great granfather was living has a lodger in buckfastleigh devon with a family called stephens and in 1901 he changed his name to stephens sometime between 1901 and 1907 i know this because i have his appretiship papers

a possible?

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 900 Folio: 56 Page: 10

Reg. District: Lymington Sub District: Milford
Address: 3, Arnewood Row, Hordle County: Hampshire
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ALLEN, Jeremiah Head Married M 67 1824 Woodman Honghton Dorsetshire
ALLEN, Eliza Wife Married F 59 1832 Honghton Dorsetshire
>>>ALLEN, Beatrice Daughter Single F 23 1868 Dress Maker Honghton Dorsetshire
ALLEN, Adeline Daughter F 14 1877 Ruthin North Wales


Tracey x

But what is is first name?
Jan

1901 England Census about William Allen
Name: William Allen
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Torquay, Devon, England

Civil parish: Buckfastleigh
Ecclesiastical parish: Buckfastleigh
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Totnes
Sub-registration district: Buckfastleigh

Elizabeth Jane Stephens 47
Elizabeth Ellen Bray Stephens 28
Mary Jane Stephens 25
William John Stephens 23
William Allen 12

Same 1891 unfortunately:

1891 England Census about William Allen
Name: William Allen
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Torquay, Devon, England

Civil parish: Dean Prior
Ecclesiastical parish: Dean Prior
Town: Church
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Totnes
Sub-registration district: Buckfastleigh

Elizabeth J Stephens 37
Elizabeth E B Stephens 18
Mary J Stephens 15
William J Stephens 13
William Allen 2

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1881 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Ann Allen
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Allen
Mother's name: Sarah Allen
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil parish: Plymouth Charles the Martyr
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: 1 James Place

Occupation: Dress Maker

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: Charles

William Allen 63
Sarah Allen 63
Elizabeth Ann Allen 19
Laura Annetta Allen 17

sorry he name was william he went on to marry a rose ellen raddon , there is a story that there were 2 children twins one william that was raised by the stephens and anouther boy raised by nicholas keat mrs stephens half brother sadly my great aunt is in her 90s now and cant quite remember.

Still a possibility, seems the family moved about a bit?

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 2665 Folio: 29 Page: 6
Reg. District: Ellesmere Sub District: Ellesmere

Address: Northwood, Ellesmere County: Shropshire
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ALLEN, Jerimiah Head Married M 57 1824 Wood Ranger (Man) Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Eliza Wife Married F 49 1832 Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Henry Son Single M 27 1854 Wood Labourer (Man) Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Herbert Son Single M 19 1862 Wood Labourer (Man) Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Beatrice Kate Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Addeline Daughter Single F 4 1877 Ruthin Denbighshire Wales


Tracey x

thanks to all. as far as i am concerned any shots are good ones i have joined so many sights hoping to find what i need .its like looking for that neddle in a haystack if it helps william was born on 9th june 1888 and was registered on 7th july 1888 by betty

I think you should pursue the address a bit - what have you got to lose! I can't find a Summerfield Terrace as such 1911, could it be anything else?
Jan

Aha! Here it is I think - person not relevant mind

EDIT Ludlow family at no. 2, dammit!:

881 England Census

Name: Eliza Pierce
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Silverton, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Tormoham
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: Hatfield Road 3 Summerfield Tce

Occupation: School Mistress

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Torquay

Elizabeth Pierce 40
Mary Jane Pierce 39
Eliza Pierce 32

Can't see a sign of Allen twins, one named William, born 1888/89 in Devon.

i have searched the addrees but no joy from 1881 to 1911 i have even searched marrages there is a list a mile long yes it could be somthing eles but it is very hard to read and every body i have shown it to comes up with the same thing :-(

another possible?

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 2167 Folio: 82 Page: 20
Reg. District: Newton Abbot Sub District: Torquay

Address: 1, Laureston Place, Efriges Road, Tormoham With Torquay County: Devonshire
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ALLEN, Thomas Head Married M 58 1823 Greenwick Pensn & Verger Tor Ch Totnes Devon
ALLEN, Alice A Wife Married F 56 1825 Greenwick Pensn & Verger Tor Ch Stoke Gabriel Devon
----------> ALLEN, Elizabeth D Daughter Single F 23 1858 Dressmaker Stoke Gabriel Devon
ALLEN, John D Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Stoke Gabriel Devon

Tracey x

The 1881 Elizabeth i found is still single in 1891 !

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 1971 Folio: 50 Page: 13

Reg. District: Barton Regis Sub District: Ashley
Address: 22, Banner Road, St James & St Paul Out, Bristol County: Gloucestershire
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COLLIER, George H Head Married M 41 1850 House Builders Foreman Stoke Gabriel Devonshire
COLLIER, Alice A Wife Married F 40 1851 Torquay Devonshire
COLLIER, George A Son M 15 1876 Drapers Apprentice Gloucester
COLLIER, Ellen M Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar Gloucester
COLLIER, William H Son M 10 1881 Scholar Gloucester
-----> ALLEN, Elizabeth D Boarder Single F 33 1858 Dressmaker Stoke Gabriel Devonshire
LOCKE, Sydney J Boarder Single M 19 1872 Hosiers Assistant Torquay Devonshire
A COURT, Charles A Boarder Single M 18 1873 Hair Dressers Assistant Weymouth Devonshire


Tracey x

A possible marriage?

Marriages Jun 1894

Allen Elizabeth Davis Newton A. 5b 274
James John Newton A. 5b 274
Langdon Samuel Newton A. 5b 274
Light Susan Newton A. 5b 274


Tracey x

that could be it i know my great grandfathers education was paid for by family memebers not sure weather it was his fathers or mothers family at one point he was training to be a pharmisist but for some reason became a baker.my mum has always said she thinks there was a priest or somthing like that in the family. iam quite happy to scan the birth cert and email it if anybody wants to have alook thats if we are aload to do that