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Hi There i did :-)

I've had a look and i'm not convinced it says Summerfield tho?

I cannot also find anything else other than what we have already established.

If i were you when you visit Devon goto the local Library to Newton Abbot, they will be able shed some more light on it.

Have you considered calling the registry office? They might be able to relook at the original entry for you and tell you what they believe it to say (again local knowledge helps) The registry office will have the original entry, the GRO have a copy of the original books.

Tracey x

tracy need you get the message

click my name and the email/pm page will come up....attach the file and send :-)

Tracey x

well... it's hard to know where to start.

The family i have thrown up, if the father was a Verger, there may be a scandal printed somewhere?

His daughter being an unmarried mother would not have done his reputation any good.

You could always start at the Library and search for the address in the ER's. Altho only males were listed, it might throw up some clues... or even the family history mgiht be there.

You've not really got much to go on, however the Library would be your best bet. Someone local might know what the address is on the birth cert.

Tracey x

tracy how do i do that scan direct out of pm

thank you so very much for all your help , i have another question iam planning to go to devon in feb because i want to get this part of my tree done for my mums 70th birthday so my question is do i look in newton abbot or in buckfastleigh where my great grandfather was brought up or can anybody recomend any where else to look i dont mind paying thanks again nigella x

Elizabeth in 1861

1861 RG number: RG09 Piece: 1414 Folio: 108 Page: 5

Reg. District: Totnes Sub District: 1 Paignton
Address: Mill, Behind The Hayes, Stoke Gabriel, Village County: Devonshire
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DAVIS, John Head Widower M 76 1785 Shoemaker Stoke Gabriel Devon
ALLEN, Alice A Daughter Married F 36 1825 ... Stoke Gabriel Devon
ALLEN, Elizabeth D Granddaughter F 3 1858 Stoke Gabriel Devon


Tracey x

Yeah if you could scan the cert that would be good. You can attach to pm direct out of this site now :-)

Tracey x

possible birth.....

Births Sep 1857 Allen Elizabeth Davis Totnes 5b 139


Tracey x

that could be it i know my great grandfathers education was paid for by family memebers not sure weather it was his fathers or mothers family at one point he was training to be a pharmisist but for some reason became a baker.my mum has always said she thinks there was a priest or somthing like that in the family. iam quite happy to scan the birth cert and email it if anybody wants to have alook thats if we are aload to do that

A possible marriage?

Marriages Jun 1894

Allen Elizabeth Davis Newton A. 5b 274
James John Newton A. 5b 274
Langdon Samuel Newton A. 5b 274
Light Susan Newton A. 5b 274


Tracey x

The 1881 Elizabeth i found is still single in 1891 !

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 1971 Folio: 50 Page: 13

Reg. District: Barton Regis Sub District: Ashley
Address: 22, Banner Road, St James & St Paul Out, Bristol County: Gloucestershire
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COLLIER, George H Head Married M 41 1850 House Builders Foreman Stoke Gabriel Devonshire
COLLIER, Alice A Wife Married F 40 1851 Torquay Devonshire
COLLIER, George A Son M 15 1876 Drapers Apprentice Gloucester
COLLIER, Ellen M Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar Gloucester
COLLIER, William H Son M 10 1881 Scholar Gloucester
-----> ALLEN, Elizabeth D Boarder Single F 33 1858 Dressmaker Stoke Gabriel Devonshire
LOCKE, Sydney J Boarder Single M 19 1872 Hosiers Assistant Torquay Devonshire
A COURT, Charles A Boarder Single M 18 1873 Hair Dressers Assistant Weymouth Devonshire


Tracey x

another possible?

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 2167 Folio: 82 Page: 20
Reg. District: Newton Abbot Sub District: Torquay

Address: 1, Laureston Place, Efriges Road, Tormoham With Torquay County: Devonshire
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ALLEN, Thomas Head Married M 58 1823 Greenwick Pensn & Verger Tor Ch Totnes Devon
ALLEN, Alice A Wife Married F 56 1825 Greenwick Pensn & Verger Tor Ch Stoke Gabriel Devon
----------> ALLEN, Elizabeth D Daughter Single F 23 1858 Dressmaker Stoke Gabriel Devon
ALLEN, John D Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Stoke Gabriel Devon

Tracey x

i have searched the addrees but no joy from 1881 to 1911 i have even searched marrages there is a list a mile long yes it could be somthing eles but it is very hard to read and every body i have shown it to comes up with the same thing :-(

Can't see a sign of Allen twins, one named William, born 1888/89 in Devon.

Aha! Here it is I think - person not relevant mind

EDIT Ludlow family at no. 2, dammit!:

881 England Census

Name: Eliza Pierce
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Silverton, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Tormoham
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: Hatfield Road 3 Summerfield Tce

Occupation: School Mistress

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Torquay

Elizabeth Pierce 40
Mary Jane Pierce 39
Eliza Pierce 32

I think you should pursue the address a bit - what have you got to lose! I can't find a Summerfield Terrace as such 1911, could it be anything else?
Jan

thanks to all. as far as i am concerned any shots are good ones i have joined so many sights hoping to find what i need .its like looking for that neddle in a haystack if it helps william was born on 9th june 1888 and was registered on 7th july 1888 by betty

Still a possibility, seems the family moved about a bit?

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 2665 Folio: 29 Page: 6
Reg. District: Ellesmere Sub District: Ellesmere

Address: Northwood, Ellesmere County: Shropshire
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ALLEN, Jerimiah Head Married M 57 1824 Wood Ranger (Man) Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Eliza Wife Married F 49 1832 Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Henry Son Single M 27 1854 Wood Labourer (Man) Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Herbert Son Single M 19 1862 Wood Labourer (Man) Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Beatrice Kate Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Houghton Dorset
ALLEN, Addeline Daughter Single F 4 1877 Ruthin Denbighshire Wales


Tracey x

sorry he name was william he went on to marry a rose ellen raddon , there is a story that there were 2 children twins one william that was raised by the stephens and anouther boy raised by nicholas keat mrs stephens half brother sadly my great aunt is in her 90s now and cant quite remember.