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Yes it does,but why can we not find her on any records apart from 1901 and 1911 on her own.Not with any family apart from 1901,then nothing about her moving to Pinfold Lane Lancaster before she was married.Again,why was she the only one not to be able to be found anywhere.

that does fit rather nicely but this time she is born in Lancaster!!

She was Eliza Annie or Ann,but on the 1901 census she was down as Eliza J like her mother..Have found an Eliza Annie Williams on 1911 census as an asylum nurse aged 27 working at Kirkburton Huddersfield,Thurstonland.Born in Lancaster

but wasn't she Eliza Annie not Eliza J born 1883/84

or is it a mistranscription from the image

Northampton appeared on the 1901 census.The family lived at 39,Greene St.Lancaster and consisted of Robert Williams born 1853,Eliza j Williams 1853,born in Chester,John Williams born 1878,Mary J Williams born1881,Eliza J Williams born 1883 in Northampton and Sarah A Williams born in 1886. They were all born in Lancaster apart from Eliza J Williams. There is no record of the family together apart from the 1901 census.

where did the 'born in Northampton' come from please?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILLIAMS Robert CRAWFORD Eliza Jane Lancaster Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston LANC/7/17

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Sarah Ann Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/66/21

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Winifred Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/69/33

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS George Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/71/32

thanks for your help up to now.What i cant understand is,why there are no records of Eliza Annie Williams,apart from the 1901 census.There are no records of her family after that either.I have got the records of her 2 brothers and 2 sisters.I cant understand why she was born in Northampton,when none of her family seem to have any connection with Northampton.Can you throw any light on this for me please?

witness possibly Eliza's sister

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SANDERSON Thomas WILLIAMS Mary Jane Lancaster Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston LANC/25/134

thank you ann for this information.Brilliant :-)I will hopefully get further with her life,where she was born and who my great grandmother was.It was a big surprise to learn that my gran lived at 17,Pinfold lane,as that was the address given on my grandads death notice.My gran later lived at number 15 Pinfold lane and i went to live there with her when i got married in 1956.

St Luke Skerton

January 22nd 1916 by licence

John Thomas Fisher a33 bachelor, labourer, Cavendish Park Barrow in Furness, father = George Fisher labourer

Eliza Annie Williams a 32 spinster, 17 Pinfold Lane father = Robert Williams labourer

Note - both name and signature are Eliza not Elizabeth
both signed register

witnesses Thomas Sanderson and Mary Jane Sanderson (there are 3 further letters after her name M?S -possibly Mrs?)

If when you get the marriage details of John Thomas & Eliza John's father is George as shown in the death in 1917 you can find the details of his birth on lan-opc.org.uk showing his mother as Margaret Agnes who died in 1901. George remarried to Alice in 1902.

have you got the marriage certificate of Elizabeth Annie to John fisher?

You really need that to confirm the name of her father and his occupation so that you can find her in the 1891/1901/1911 cenuses

Can you help me with the name of my grandmother`s parents.She was Eliza Williams and was born 1880=2.She married John Thomas Fisher in 1916,but he died in first world war when my mum was 6mnths old. Getting confusing information as to where she was born.She was married in Lancaster,but apart from that information I know nothing about her family.Can you help please?

I assume you meant your gran Eliza A on the 1901 not Eliza J

so using the births above this is probably your gt grandparents

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILLIAMS Robert CRAWFORD Eliza Jane Lancaster Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston LANC/7/178

so possibly your gran (another variation on her name?)

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Williams Eliza Anna Northampton 3b 84

Have found my gran Eliza J Williams on the 1901 census. She appeared with Sarah A Williams,Eliza J Williams her motherAged 48,who was born in Chester,George Williams Aged 12,born in Lancaster,John Williams aged 23,Robert Williams ,her father and Sarah A Williams,daughter aged 15. She has taken some finding













ave found my gran on the 1901 census. She was Eliza J williams aged 18.Born in Northampton.She appeared with Sa :-\

I always thought that Winifred`s husband was called Harold,but seemingly he was called Arthur. I have got the relations of my grandad John Thomas Fisher,but know nothing of my gran`s parents. I know they were married in 1916,but before that nothing except that she worked at the County Mental Hospital,as it was known then,She didnt get married till late and she was a widow for over 40 yrs. You have been very helpful.Thanks

given the names these look like Sally's family but I have not yet found a birth that looks right for Eliza Ann (or Elizabeth Annie)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1873
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Ellen Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/44/94

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Sarah Ann Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/66/21

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Winifred Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/69/33

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS George Lancaster Preston CRAWFORD LAN/71/32

I think you really do need that marriage certificate of Eliza to John Fisher

got it (I think)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WADESON Winifred Lancaster Preston WILLIAMS LAN/115/13

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WADESON Arthur WILLIAMS Sarah Ann Lancaster, St Mary Preston CE12/11/277

Sally was a name often used by people named Sarah

presumably this is Sylvia so Winifred was born as Winifred Wadeson

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1936
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WADESON Sylvia Lancaster Preston WADESON LAN/153/88

not sure who you are saying was the wife of Harold

thanks Lancashire ann. My mum Kathleen was born 29th.November 1916,so that ties in ok.My gran must have been born in Preston area,as we used to visit my Aunt Sally in Preston. She had a daughter,Winifred ,who was known to me as Wadeson,She had a daughter Sylvia who was born in a home for unmarried mothers in Lancaster. Her husband`s name was Harold.I always thought that Sally was my gran`s sister. Thanks for all your help.