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Births Jun 1867 -
Starling Sarah Ann - Greenwich 1d 727


Sarah's parents (Ivy's grandparents) will be on this birth certificate

Hi Glitter Baby, I copied a family tree off of genesreunited that had the 2 marriages on but was not sure if Thomas and Sarah were the correct parents. I have been in contact with June who is Ivys daughter (she lives in austailia) and in her letter I received today she said that Ivy was 1 of 18 children but could not remember all of her aunts and uncles and she does not know what happened to all of them. I thought I would try and find all of them and send her my findings. June has not told me the names of her grandparents that is also why I was unsure

Hope that helps

There are other possibles too but i picked the ones out timewise. It may be that they arent the right family so some of the others not listed may be .

To 1911 she has had 7 Rae chidren and at least 4 Sayers and 1 after 1911 for Rae so that makes 12 accounted for so if there were 6 others it must have been very close births

so 8 Rae children would mean she had 10 Sayers children which cant see that time wise from marrying in 1885 to Albert dying in 1895

Deaths Dec 1899

Rea William John 0 Dartford 2a 322
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twins
Births Sep 1900

Rea Catherine Jame Dartford 2a 531
Rea James Edward Dartford 2a 531

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Deaths Sep 1900

Rea James Edward 0 Dartford 2a 283

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Deaths Mar 1901

Rea Catherine Jane 0 Dartford 2a 331
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maybe
Births Mar 1898

Rea Eleanor Dartford 2a 516

Deaths Sep 1902

Rea Helena 4 Dartford 2a 268
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Births Mar 1902

Rea Lily Dartford 2a 527

Births Mar 1904

Rea Rosie Eva Dartford 2a 582
Deaths Sep 1904

Rea Lily 2 Dartford 2a 322
Rea Rosie Eva 0 Dartford 2a 324


1911 says 3 died so only the certs will say which arr the right family

Births Dec 1885

Sayers Annie Catherine Dartford 2a 460
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maybe
Births Mar 1887

Sayers Herbert Dartford 2a 449

Deaths Dec 1887

Sayers Herbert 1 Dartford 2a 251
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Births Dec 1887

Sayers Thomas Dartford 2a 449

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Births Dec 1889

Sayers Emma Dartford 2a 454

Deaths Mar 1890
Sayers Emma 0 Dartford 2a 303
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Births Jun 1892

Sayers Frances Emma Dartford 2a 459
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Could she have had a child when single. ?

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Marriages Mar 1885
Sayers Albert - Dartford 2a 479
STARLING Sarah Ann - Dartford 2a 479


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Births Mar 1885
Starling William Thomas - Dartford 2a 486

so she was maiden name Starling
Name: SAYERS, Albert
Registration District: Dartford
County: Kent
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 2A
Page No: 479

spouse Sarah Ann Starling

Name: SAYERS, Albert
Registration District: Dartford
County: Kent
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 29
Volume No: 2A
Page No: 256

How much other info do you have that you have not posted on this thread to help us with your question as you knew about the earlier marriage

1891


SAYERS, Albert Head Married M 25 1866 General Labourer
Erith
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, Annie Wife Married F 24 1867
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, Annie Daughter Single F 5 1886 Scholar
Crayford
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, Thomas Son Single M 3 1888 Scholar
Faversham
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, Albert Son M 0 (11M) 1891
Crayford
Kent VIEW

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Piece:
637 Folio:
82 Page:
12 Registration District:
Dartford

Civil Parish:
Erith Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Colebrook Street, Erith County:
Kent

Only one birth registered after 1911

we cross posted re being a second marriage

Clearly she did have children in her first marriage......two of them are on the 1911 census

1901 ??

Name: Thomas Ray
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A Ray
Gender: Male
Where born: Holland

Civil parish: Crayford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paulinus
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 697
Folio: 144
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Ray 30
Sarah A Ray 33
Alice I Ray 3
Thomas E Ray 1
Thomas Lazers 13
Annie Lazers 16
Albert Lazers 11
Francis Lazers 9

here they are on the 1901
RAY, Thomas Head Married M 30 1871 General Labourer
Holloway VIEW
RAY, Sarah A Wife Married F 33 1868
Greenwich VIEW
RAY, Alice J Daughter F 3 1898
Slades Green Erith VIEW
RAY, Thomas E Son M 1 1900
Slades Green Erith VIEW
SAYERS, Thomas E Son M 13 1888
Slades Green Erith VIEW
SAYERS, Annie Daughter F 16 1885 Field Hand
Slade Green
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, Albert Son M 11 1890
Slade Green
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, Francis Daughter F 9 1892
Slade Green
Kent VIEW

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Piece:
697 Folio:
144 Page:
10 Registration District:
Dartford

Civil Parish:
Crayford Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Poplar Place, Slade Green Lane, Crayford County:
Kent

so she also had an Annie and Thomas Sayers so may have been a second marrige for her

Sarah Ann married Albert Sayers in 1885 before Thmas Rea so she could have had a couple of children before she married Thomas?

yes and you should be able to find the children who died too on there as its not a usual surname

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Marriages Jun 1897 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Brown James Dartford 2a 927
*************Rea Thomas - Dartford 2a 927
***********Sayers Sarah Ann - Dartford 2a 927
Whicker Edith Agnes Dartford 2a 927

Possible marriage

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Brown James Dartford 2a 927
Rea Thomas Dartford 2a 927
Sayers Sarah Ann Dartford 2a 927
Whicker Edith Agnes Dartford 2a 927

Births Sep 1905 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rea Ivy May - Dartford 2a 602