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I've been working on this problem for years - I wonder if anyone can help me please?

My Gt Gt Grandfather, Thomes Noel (born c. 1825) was in the military. He served in India with the 60th Regiment, and married Elizabeth Leach at Jullundur, West Bengal, on 18/04/1853. According to the very basic records that I have been able to find online, they probably had 4 children:
John Henry Noel (b.1854 - Jullundur, Punjab, India) - my Gt Grandfather
Thomas Noel (b.1856 - Meerut, India)
Sarah Jane Noel (b.1858 - Meerut, India)
Charles Noel (1861 - Dover, Kent)
Now, things get rather messy following the Indian Uprising in 1857-8!

Firstly, I have been unable to locate any records to suggest that the parents or siblings died in the Uprising (indeed, one of my cousins is positive that they survived - unfortunately he carried out his research before the days of the internet, and is now of an age that gaining extra information is impossible). However, according to my dates, if Charles was born in Dover in 1861 it would imply that Elizabeth must have survived! There is no death record for her in the UK as a Noel. Was Charles illigitimate? But if his father was no longer in the miliitary, why was Charles registered as having been born into the 60th regiment under the same surname? Surely this implies that Thomas survived too?

From this point I know very little, but it is rumoured in family history that all the children were sent to Duke of York Schools. Why, if they were not orphaned? John Henry certainly did (Woolwich?), and I have found an intriguing entry in the 1871 census that shows Charles as a 'scholar' in 'an institution' in Chelsea. He vanishes again after this date - possible back into the military?

A trip to the Royal Green Jackets Museum in Winchester might supply a bit more information, but sadly a visit is out of the question anytime soon (I'm a full-time carer).

Any information or suggestions regarding the parents and the fate of their three missing children would be most appreciated.

With kind regards to all,
Andrew Gourlay.

Do you know approx when Elizabeth was born

This could be Charles the census is to big to show all

1871 census - household transcription
Person: NOEL, Charles
Address: Royal Military Asylums, King's Road Chelsea, Chelsea
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census

Piece:
78 Folio:
90 Page:
19 Registration District:
Chelsea

Civil Parish:
Chelsea Municipal Borough:
Address:
Royal Military Asylums, King's Road Chelsea, Chelsea County:
London, Middlesex

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First name(s): Charles
Last name: NOEL
Calculated year of birth: 1861
Parish of birth: Dover
Town of birth: Dover
County of birth: Kent
Age at attestation: 14 years
Attestation date: 3 May 1875
Attestation corps: 1ST 60TH Report transcription error
Attestation soldier number: 4166
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 3562 / 46

First name(s): Charles
Last name: NOEL
Calculated year of birth: 1862
Parish of birth: Dover
Town of birth: Dover
County of birth: Kent
Age at attestation: 35 years 11 months
Attestation date: 28 April 1897
Attestation corps: 7TH BN RIFLE BRIGADE Report transcription error
Attestation soldier number: 5425
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps: Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO96 / 1267 / 168

I can't find a baptism yet

Name: NOEL, Charles
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 60th Foot
Place: Dover
Country: England
Year: 1861
Volume: 1074
Page: 59
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Elizabeth ?????????????

NOEL, Eliza Wife Of Soldier Married F 37 1824 None
Ireland VIEW
Piece:
550 Folio:
47 Page:
36 Registration District:
Dover

Civil Parish:
Hougham Municipal Borough:
Dover Address:
Hougham, Dover County:
Kent

Findmypast

Has records of soldiers who served in in India
Found mine under Chelsea Pensioners

Charles Noel born Dover 1861,joined the 1st 60th 06,May.1875 left 19,May 1896 next of kin John Henry Noel brother- serving with Regiment

1861 Worldwide Army Index

First Name(s) Thomas
Last Name Noel
Number 2381
Rank Sergeant
Unit 1st Btn 60th Foot (Kings Royal Rifle Corps)
Regiment Stationed at:Dover
National Archives reference:WO12 / 6919

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I don't know if the fact that this is the 1861 index implies that he was still alive then?

Possibly?

NOEL, Thos Serjeant Married M 36 1825 Soldier Remenham Berkshire
NOEL, Eliza Wife Of Soldier Married F 37 1824 None Ireland
NOEL, John Child Of Soldier None M 7 1854 None East Indies
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Institution: The 1st... Rifles Western Heights & Citadel, Dover

Registration District: Dover
Civil Parish: Hougham
Municipal Borough: Dover

Address: Hougham, Dover County: Kent

(Can't find the other children)

marriage: 18 Apr 1853 Jullundur,? Bengal,? India
parents: Thomas Noel
spouse: Elizabeth Leach


groom's name: Thomas Noel
groom's birth date: 1827
groom's age: 26
bride's name: Elizabeth Leach
bride's birth date: 1826
bride's age: 27
marriage date: 18 Apr 1853
marriage place: Jullundur, Bengal, India
groom's father's name: Thomas Noel
bride's father's name: James Donohue
indexing project (batch) number: M75005-9
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 498991

I have found this...

The Indian Mutiny Medal Roll (British Forces) 1857-1859.

View Given Names(s) Thomas
Surname Noel
Rank Sergeant
Regiment or Ship 1st Battalion 60th Foot (King's Royal Rifle Corps)

The FIBIS website is very good for Indian records.

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php


Tracey x

Thomas in 1841?

NOEL, Jane F 50 1791 Berkshire
NOEL, John M 15 1826 Berkshire
NOEL, Thomas M 15 1826 Berkshire
NOEL, Lucy F 20 1821 Berkshire
GREENAWAY, Jane F 3 1838 Berkshire

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Registration District: Henley & Watlington
Civil Parish: Remenham < Same as 1861

Address: Remenham Lodge, Remenham County: Berkshire

1861

Name: Thos Noel
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Serjeant (Sergeant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Remonham, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Hougham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: Hougham
ED, institution, or vessel: First Battalion 60th Roy Rifles Western Heights and Citadel Dover

1861

Name: Eliza Noel
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife of Soldier (Soldier)
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Hougham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: Hougham
ED, institution, or vessel: First Battalion 60th Roy Rifles Western Heights and Citadel Dover
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 550
Folio: 47
Page Number: 36

Have sent Andrew a pm in case he thinks Genes will notify him of responses.

Thomas Noel born 1857 father Thomas died age 3 08,Feb,1860 buried 09,Feb.1860 Fort William Bengal India.

1841

Name: Thomas Nall
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Remenham
Hundred: Beynhurst
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Henley and Wattington
Sub-registration district: Henley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 11
Book: 12
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Nall 80 -c1761 Berkshire
John Nall 18 -c1823 Berkshire
Thomas Nall 15
Lucy Nall 30-c1811 Berkshire

1851

Name: Jane Noel
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Pyrton, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Rotherfield Greys
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Henley
Sub-registration district: Henley
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Name: John Noel
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Jane Noel
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Remenham, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Rotherfield Greys
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Thomas Noel born 1857 father Thomas died age 3 08,Feb,1860 buried 09,Feb.1860 Fort William Bengal India.