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Hi Tracey I was looking at the same birth for Constance, so Her school record here in NZ for birth date is 9yrs out, yes thats her. Constance Emily Eliza Horton married Herbert Clement in NZ 1923

Yes thats the correct 1881 census

looks like it's gonna be a birth cert jobbie...!

Yes I think so

Please let us know whom the wife is once you find out :-)

will do

Don't wanna throw in a curve ball... but what about this?

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
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CLARK Emma Clara H. Hempstead 3a 771
Horton Harry Hemel Hempstead 3a 771
Smith Lydia Georgina F H.Hempstead 3a 771


Tracey x

think you might have cracked it Tracey -


Births Sep 1864 (>99%)
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SMITH Lydia Goergina Frances Ross 6a 422


Ruardean is in Ross district

??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: Lydia Georgina F Horton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1904
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 201

so who did Harry go to NZ with in 1909?

??


Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
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BRADLEY Henry Thomas Aston 6d 670
>>>>HORTON Harry Aston 6d 670
>>>>Pagett Beatrice Catherine Aston 6d 670
Pettitt Laura Aston 6d 670




this is the other couple -

1911


BRADLEY, Henry Thomas Head Married M 31 1880 Brassturner Warwickshire Bham VIEW
BRADLEY, Laura Wife Married
6 years F 26 1885 Screw Worker On Capston Lathe Warwickshire Bham VIEW
BRADLEY, Gladys Daughter F 8 1903 School Warwickshire Bham VIEW
BRADLEY, Doris Daughter F 4 1907 Warwickshire Bham VIEW
BRADLEY, Ivy Daughter F 2 1909 VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18153 Reference:
RG14PN18153 RG78PN1099 RD385 SD1 ED6 SN48

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Aston

Address:
14 Corona Place Bk 121 Bradford St Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

So trying to apply a touch of logic to this.

We know her name has Georgina in it, and that she is from Ruardean, (which is incidentally in Glocestershire) and that she was born roughly 1865.

Sooooo, upon doing a search of all Georgina's born in 1863-1867 registered in the Ross district (the area covering Ruardean)... i get this...

Births Sep 1867 Gammon Georgina Ross 6a 455

The only other birth with Georgina in the name is this one...

Births Jun 1867 Bailey Annie Georgina M Ross 6a 476

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...but then i get this one too...

Births Sep 1864 SMITH Lydia Goergina Frances Ross 6a 422

Which takes me back to the start!!?


Tracey x

you've missed the one I posted Tracey ...


EDIT - ah, you've seen it now

I was still adding to mine....

Yeah i saw yours once i had finished mine :-D I was adding and editing as i go!

Soooooo, we think it's Lydia then?

T x

Only a birth certificate will confirm (as always!), but think it's likely as Lydia died in Aston

this could be Beatrice Catherine -


Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
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Coates Frank Birmingham 6d 286
>>>>Hemming Beatrice Catherine Birmingham 6d 286
Norton Ada Alice Birmingham 6d 286
>>>>PAGETT George Birmingham 6d 286



Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
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Pagett George 31 Aston 6d 202

Looks like Beatrice was a widow?

Marriages Jun 1902
Coates Frank Birmingham 6d 286
>>Hemming Beatrice Catherine Birmingham 6d 286
Norton Ada Alice Birmingham 6d 286
>>PAGETT George Birmingham 6d 286

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Deaths Mar 1903 Pagett George 31 Aston 6d 202

....and Beatrice's birth.

Seems she's a local girl......Births Jun 1881 HEMMING Beatrice Catherine Aston 6d 424

.....and WAAAAAAY younger than him!! :-D


T x

Beatrice on the census's

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 2421 Folio: 52 Page: 52
Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston
Address: 22, 3 Court, Claverdon Street, Aston, Birmingham County: Warwickshire
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HEMMING, George Head Married M 41 1850 House Painter Birmingham
HEMMING, Martha Wife Married F 30 1861 Birmingham
HEMMING, Beatrice Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Birmingham
HEMMING, James Son M 5 1886 Scholar Birmingham
HEMMING, May Daughter F 0 (10M) 1891 Birmingham

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1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 2857 Folio: 167 Page: 4
Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Deritend
Address: 211, Alcester Street, Aston County: Warwickshire
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HEMMING, Geo Head Married M 41 1860 House Painter Birmingham Warwickshire
HEMMING, Martha Wife Married F 39 1862 Birmingham Warwickshire
HEMMING, Beatrice Daughter Single F 19 1882 Dress Maker Birmingham Warwickshire
HEMMING, James Hy Son Single M 15 1886 Paper Hanger Birmingham Warwickshire
HEMMING, Harry Son Single M 8 1893 Birmingham Warwickshire
HEMMING, Clarence Son Single M 8 1893 Birmingham Warwickshire



Tracey x

Hi, I wonder if the Mrs Horton on the shipping records is Charles Horton's wife ? Mary. Charles also came to NZ, also his son Francis Henry, or Frank Henry. Maybe Charles, Harry and Francis came out first ??

One of Harrys children I think if was Harry Joseph named his mother as Mary, which is charles's wife, so maybe Mary and Charles brought the children up ???