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Sarah-Jane
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16 Jan 2012 17:57 |
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Hi
I have hit a brick wall with my search and not being local to the area of my family I hoping someone here maybe able to give me some help.
Joseph Lund born C1853 Darlington and Mary Ann Moss born C1864 Stockton on Tees (info 1891 census)
Had my Great Grandfather Joseph Lund 1886 Stockton on Tees (info birth certificate)
I am trying to find a wedding certificate to get Joseph Snr's Father's name.
But I can find no record of Joseph and Mary's wedding in the online searches.
Without a correct Father's name I cannot take the tree back any further as there are several Joseph's born in the area in the same timescale.
Any pointers as to what to do next would be wonderful!
S-J
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Gee
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16 Jan 2012 18:12 |
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What is Joseph snr occupation on his sons birth certificate?
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16 Jan 2012 18:13 |
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The only birth for the right area is this one
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Births Dec 1856
Lund Joseph - Auckland 10a 121
and this would be him in 1881
Thomas LUND Head M Male 50 Knaresbro, York, England Waterman
Elizabeth LUND Wife M Female 44 Knaresbro, York, England Linen Weaver
Joseph LUND Son U Male 24 Bishop Auckland, York, England Masons Labourer
Maria LUND Dau U Female 17 Leeds, York, England
Dwelling 6 Astern Hill
Census Place Knaresborough, York, England
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So maybe not your Joseph (unless he lied about his age)
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16 Jan 2012 18:21 |
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1861
UND, Thomas Head Married M 30 1831 Journeyman Boot And Shoe Maker
Knaresborough
Yorkshire VIEW
LUND, Elizabeth Wife Married F 24 1837
Knaresborough
Yorkshire VIEW
LUND, Alfred Son Unmarried M 6 1855
Knaresborough
Yorkshire VIEW
LUND, Joseph Son Unmarried M 4 1857
Bishop Auckland
Durham VIEW
LUND, George Son Unmarried M 0 (8M) 1861
Knaresborough
Yorkshire VIEW
Piece:
3370 Folio:
53 Page:
11 Registration District:
Leeds
Civil Parish:
Leeds Municipal Borough:
Leeds Address:
26, Hills Yard, Leeds County:
Yorkshire (West riding)
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16 Jan 2012 18:41 |
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Just posting 1891 for reference
Joseph Lund Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Lund
Gender: Male Where born: Darlington, Durham, England
Civil parish: Stockton on Tees Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Stockton on Tees County/Island: Durham Country: England
Occupation: iron moulder
Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 4047 Folio: 83 Page Number: 22
Joseph Lund 38
Mary Lund 29
M A Lund 10
Louisa Lund 7 probably Lavinia
Elizth Lund 5
Joseph Lund 4
William Lund 2
David Lund 1
John Moss 30
Annie Moss 31
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4047; Folio 83; Page 22; GSU roll: 6099157.
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16 Jan 2012 18:41 |
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Sarah for info is this your family 1891
LUND, Joseph Head Married M 38 1853 Labourer In Iron Works
Darlington
Durham VIEW
LUND, Mary Wife Married F 29 1862
Stockton
Durham VIEW
LUND, M A Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
LUND, Lavinia Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
LUND, Elizth Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
LUND, Joseph Son M 4 1887 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
LUND, William Son M 2 1889
Stockton
Durham VIEW
LUND, David Son M 1 1890
Stockton
Durham VIEW
MOSS, John Lodger Married M 30 1861 Labourer In Shipyard
Barnsley
Yorkshire VIEW
MOSS, Annie Lodger Married F 31 1860
Stockton
Durham VIEW
Piece:
4047 Folio:
83 Page:
22 Registration District:
Stockton
Civil Parish:
Stockton on Tees Municipal Borough:
Stockton on Tees Address:
20, Camden Street, Stockton On Tees County:
Durham
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16 Jan 2012 18:43 |
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Tricky one...........
I wonder if he changed his name for some reason or other as there is no sign of his birth in Darlington and he only seems to appear on the 1891 census
Not much help are we!
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16 Jan 2012 18:49 |
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Name: LUND, Joseph
Registration District: Help Stockton
County: Durham
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 10A
Page No: Help 43
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patchem
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16 Jan 2012 19:20 |
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Presumably this is the oldest daughter's birth, so they 'should' be married/together in 1881:
Births Jun 1881
LUND Mary Annie Stockton 10a 117
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16 Jan 2012 19:26 |
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This is the only poss marriage I can find
I can't see any for Joseph Lund and Mary Moss
Name: LUTY, Mary Ann
Registration District: Help Knaresborough
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 9A
Page No: Help 192
LUND, Joseph
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16 Jan 2012 20:07 |
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Unless this is the oldest daughter:
Births Mar 1881
MOSS Mary Ann Stockton 10a 63
Added:
And this could be Lavinia:
Births Jun 1882
Moss Lavinia Stockton 10a 57
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16 Jan 2012 20:14 |
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Patchem following your lead
Name: MOSS, Lavinia
Registration District: Help Stockton
County: Durham
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 10A
Page No: Help 57
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16 Jan 2012 20:19 |
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And this looks like Elizabeth:
Births Sep 1885
Moss Elizabeth Stockton 10a 46
so Joseph is the first one born Lund?
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16 Jan 2012 20:28 |
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I might have gone right off track
1881
MOSS, Joseph Head Married M 56 1825 Cotton Weaver (Manu)
Barnsley
Yorkshire VIEW
MOSS, Ann Wife Married F 45 1836
Barnsley
Yorkshire VIEW
MOSS, Joseph Son Single M 24 1857 General Labourer
Barnsley
Yorkshire VIEW
MOSS, John Son Single M 21 1860 General Labourer
Barnsley
Yorkshire VIEW
MOSS, Mary Daughter Single F 17 1864
Stockton
Durham VIEW
MOSS, Henry Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
MOSS, David Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
MOSS, William Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
MOSS, Charles Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Stockton
Durham VIEW
MOSS, Thomas Son Single M 2 1879
Stockton
Durham VIEW
MOSS, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 0 1881
Stockton
Durham VIEW
Piece:
4898 Folio:
163 Page:
31 Registration District:
Stockton
Civil Parish:
Stockton upon Tees Municipal Borough:
Address:
85, Webster St, Stockton Upon Tees County:
Durham
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16 Jan 2012 20:29 |
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This could be a marriage for Lavinia using the Moss surname:
Marriages Mar 1904
Moss Lavinia Stockton 10a 109
I think they were not telling the total truth in 1891.
Would be interested in Lavinia's birth and marriage certificates.
Have you found Joseph Lund in any other censuses or his death?
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16 Jan 2012 20:31 |
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Lesley,
Moss family in 1881, yes.
Do you think Mary Ann is daughter or grand-daughter in 1881?
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16 Jan 2012 20:41 |
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I am hoping she is Mary 1864 daughter
Joseph 1825 grand daughter
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16 Jan 2012 21:14 |
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But unfortunately no closer to any marriage or true identity of Joseph Lund.
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16 Jan 2012 22:15 |
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Where were Joseph and Mary in 1901?
There is a Mary Moss marrying A/M/J 1887 in Durham.
There is only 2 other names Herman Strathman and Jemima.
They are on 1891 census,so who is the missing man??
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16 Jan 2012 22:54 |
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????
Search Results From Marriages 1881 to 1890
Details of your chosen Marriage certificate (including spouse) are as follows:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
92% WHITE Thomas 1885 Durham Northern xxxx
92% MOSS Mary A 1885 Durham Northern
92% SHELDON Mary A 1885 Durham Northern xxxx
male missing unless mary a moss and mary a sheldon are the same person
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