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Christopher - if it's just the tree you want to see, and maybe contact the owner, you don't need to join Ancestry.

They have a sister site, Mundia, which is free to register and use the trees.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/

Once you've registered just use "Find People" on the menu. It's always worth having a copy of your tree on there to find matches, especially as it costs nothing.

I am not signed up to ancestry (perhaps i should be)

There is a public tree (Kilgore Family Tree) which has a David Rankin Risk and also a James Caldwell Risk on - when i do the search. Could someone check it for me and see how they are linked to the tree owner. Want to see if there is a firm link before i consider signing up.

Thanks - i think i understand

any thoughts on the shipping entries

You can search the FS site (URL given above) for all censuses 1850 on. E.g.,:

Name:Sarah Motherwell
Residence:, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Ward:8th Ward Philadelphia
Age:26 years
Estimated Birth Year:1834
Birthplace:Ireland
Gender:Female
Page:323
Family Number:2236
Film Number:805158
DGS Number:4292176
Image Number:00327
NARA Number:M653

As you probably know, Philadelphia was a port in Philadelphia Co PA, on the Delaware R.
The next Co downstream, adjacent to the state of Delaware, was Delaware Co PA.

One used to be able to get free images for most years on FS, but not now (not 1860, e.g.).
For an 1860 image, go to
http://www.archive.org/details/1860_census
and click on PA. Pick reel 1158 and read online. (Note the last 3 digits of the LDS film # match those of the NARA reel #). Alter
http://www.archive.org/stream/populationschedu1158unix#page/n0/mode/2up
to http://www.archive.org/stream/populationschedu1158unix#page/n327/mode/1up
Now pick a name on that page, say:

Name:Josephine Edmundson

and look them up. The key bits on the look up are:

Film Number:805158
Image Number:00329

Clearly, what we want is:
http://www.archive.org/stream/populationschedu1158unix#page/n325/mode/1up


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Your Sarah's working as a domestic. You can page thru the images here.
So far as I'm aware, the only site where one can easily page thru transcribed households is the old LDS transcription of the 1880 at:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

Also - is it possible to see the actual 1860 census for Philadelphia for free

My apologies - it was the 1860 that wasn't clear - when they were in Philadelphia - but there is nothing i can do on that. I was thinking if i could see the neighbours - that may give me some clues (as i suspect they came and were linked to people in that locality.

Also - the big thing now is to get a lead on the ship they came in on - to see if they were going to see someone. the problem i have is that it seems that shipping lists are just pdf - on family search - with no index - so 50k plus entries.

why am i doing this - I am chasing a the Motherwells of Donegal (and there weren't a lot of them) and some seem to have come to Philadelphia (including James Motherwell who dies there in 1847 [have found his death record on family serach - phaldelpia records].

James Caldwell Risk is critical to the search as his kids have reference to Motherwell and Caldwell - which is a family name - (and when he was in Donegal - in 1851 - his Aunt [Miss Mary Motherwell] die at his house.

There is also a Sarah Motherwell who was on the 1860 Philadelpia Census -who is is interesting to me - she died I think in 1864 - somehow - I think this links to the Motherwell exodus.

And to make matters more complicated there seems to be spelling variations for the family (Motherall and Motheral)

I need to get another hobby ....

So ... if i can get more detail on Jame Caldwell Motherwell and who he met in Philly and whether he had links in San Francisco before going out - it increase the chance of solving a puzzle

The 1870 census is relatively clear on Ancestry. Is there anything you need deciphering?

Christopher - which site are you using to look at the records?

There are numerous California Electoral Rolls for James caldwell Risk on Ancestry - do you have the details from these?

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For example

California, Voter Registers, 1866-1898
Name: James Caldwell Risk
Residence Year: 1892
Residence Place: Sonoma, California < Penn's Grove
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1857

He was 5 ft 21/2 in tall, had fair skin, hazel eyes, brown hair, no distinguishing marks. He was naturalised May 30 1880 at Penn's Grove. He was a farmer from Ireland.

Also on the register were David Rankin Risk age 38 and William Bond Risk, age 29

Further query - is there anyway of getting a better veiw of the 1870 census return.

Also - in trying to trace their port of entry i have looked at Print
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1882 - but it seems to be images only,. Has anybody done indexing fo this or are there plans to index it?

Absolutley brilliant - as this helps in the formation of a theory about the movement of the family

You can look up the 1870 census via:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=NORTH_AMERICA

Name: James Risk
Estimated Birth Year: 1824
...
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1870: Pennsylvania, United States [Birmingham Twp, Delaware Co]
Household Gender Age
James Risk M 46y
Sarah Risk F 39y
David Risk M 16y
James Risk M 14y
Andrew Risk M 12y
Mary Risk F 11y
William Risk M 9y
Elizabeth Risk F 7y
Jane Risk F 6y
Nancy Risk F 4y
Sarah Risk F 2y
Josephine Risk F 1m

At left you can click on view image - it's not great quality, but better than:
http://www.archive.org/stream/populationschedu1336unit#page/n86/mode/1up


Similarly, the 1900 census with residence=Vallejo, Sonoma, CA has an image available


1910
http://www.archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po0109unit#page/n1363/mode/1up
[William] http://www.archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po0109unit#page/n1371/mode/1up

Is this him?

1880 United States Federal Census
about James C. Risk Name: James C. Risk
Age: 56
Birth Year: abt 1824
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1880: Vallejo, Sonoma, California
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sarah Risk
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Cannot read/write
Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
James C. Risk 56
Sarah Risk 49
David R. Risk 26
James C. Risk 24
William B. Risk 19
Lizzie Mc C. Risk 17
Jane H. Risk 15
Nancy C. Risk 13
Sarah M. Risk 11
Josaphine B. Risk 9
Martha M. Risk 7

All born Ireland except last 2, Josaphine born Pennsylvania and Martha born California.

You can look up the 1880 free on Ancestry, but can't get the image for free there. It's at:

http://www.archive.org/stream/10thcensus0084unit#page/n65/mode/1up
[magnify 4 clicks, then save image]

can anybody point me to where the California census for 1880 will be - want to check who was in the house with James caldwell Risk at that time

ooooh


the 1940 Census may help me with my great-aunt and her husband!

Are they still in New Jersey??

Is he still alive??

(I know she lived until the early 1950s, he died earlier)



sylvia

Ancestry has abt 2800 people in Vallejo 1920 and 3100 in 1930, so 1940 will be a bit of a chore, but not insurmountable at abt 70 pages to go thru.

Yeah, not sure where and when it will come online but it wont be long :-D

http://www.1940census.net/

Gins - I've just been looking at that, I was really excited but then found out that it won't be indexed on-line then :-(

There are a number of organisations that are looking for volunteers to create a searcheable index.

The good news is, the 1940 census is released April 2nd this year.....I cant wait!