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Bertikins

Bertikins Report 22 Jan 2012 17:04

Does anyone have any information on Emily Barnard please. The only certain details I have are that she was my grandfather's (Herbert William Sharpe) 1st wife and she died in childbirth in 1898. He married Emily Clipston in 1906, which is the union I am descended from.
I have found entries for Emily Barnard, but they are very confusing. All I have found point to her being the daughter of Frederick Popple of Deeping St James, if so why was she called Barnard ? Also the marriage of her and 2 siblings is shown as 26 December 1895 - very doubtful.
The family of Frederick Popple are :- wife Mary (1837), children - Thomas (1861), Matilda (1863), Clara (1865), Emily (1869). Clara married my grandfather's brother, John Thomas Sharpe.
I know it is a long shot but anything to sort out the confusion would be appreciated please.
Herbert (Bert) Sharpe

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:07

Hi Bert, where were they from?

She may have been married previously hence two different surnames.

jax

jax Report 22 Jan 2012 17:11

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Barnard Emily Anderson Bourn 7a 713
Halstead Joseph Bourn 7a 713
Popple Clara Bourn 7a 713
Sharpe Herbert William Bourn 7a 713


Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
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SHARPE Emily Anderson 28 Peterbro' 3b 131


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:12

Oh, I hate it when a name is missing:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1891

Gunn Lucy Edmonton 3a 398
Pickett Walter Edmonton 3a 398
Popple Emily Anderson Edmonton 3a 398 <<
Tait Ellen Sarah Edmonton 3a 398
Tottingham George Edmonton 3a 398

I'm betting the missing groom is a Mr Barnard

Yes, think this is him:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1891
Barnard Samuel Edmonton 3a 393 <<<<
Brooker Frederick William Edmonton 3a 393
Smithers Mary Edmonton 3a 393

Vera

Vera Report 22 Jan 2012 17:12

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) ??????
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Gunn Lucy Edmonton 3a 398
Pickett Walter Edmonton 3a 398
<<<<<Popple Emily Anderson Edmonton 3a 398
Tait Ellen Sarah Edmonton 3a 398
Tottingham George Edmonton 3a 398



Regards Veea

Vera

Vera Report 22 Jan 2012 17:15

Civil Registration event: Marriage


Name: POPPLE, Emily Anderson
Registration District: Help Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 3A
Page No: Help 393
MarriageFinderâ„¢: Emily Anderson Popple married one of the following people Help
BARNARD, Samuel view record



SMITHERS, Mary view record



It is


©Regards Vera

tempest

tempest Report 22 Jan 2012 17:17

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage


Name: POPPLE, Emily Anderson
Registration District: Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 3A
Page No: 393

MarriageFinderâ„¢: Emily Anderson Popple married one of the following people

BARNARD, Samuel
SMITHERS, Mary


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:19

Bert (I am NOT going to call you Bertikins!!) You say:

"Also the marriage of her and 2 siblings is shown as 26 December 1895 - very doubtful."

Could you explain what you mean.

Bertikins

Bertikins Report 22 Jan 2012 17:23

Hi, The Sharpes are from Peterborough, and the marriage records show Deeping St James (about 10 miles North of Peterborough). I am going round the bend trying to understand the confusion. I've got a copy of the 1871 census, and she is shown as Emily A Popple, 27 Eastgate, Deeping St James. I can only assume that this is Emily Anderson Barnard, as all the info on her from The Family Search website refer to Frederick Popple.
Bert

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:28

Bert - please read our replies above!

Emily Anderson Popple married Samuel Barnard in December 1891. She then went on to marry Herbert William Sharpe in 1895. Obviously, her second marriage is going to be in her married name of Barnard.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 22 Jan 2012 17:30

She's a visitor here:

1891 England Census
about Emily Anderson Popple Name: Emily Anderson Popple
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Deeping St James, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Enfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Enfield
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1086
Folio: 103
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
William Barnard 30
Sophia Barnard 30
William S Barnard 8
Alfred A Barnard 6
Ellen Barnard 4
Emily Anderson Popple 21

Bertikins

Bertikins Report 22 Jan 2012 17:33

To all respondents, thanks a lot. I already have got some of the details, but I did not know of Samuel Barnard. It seems as if she was widowed before she met my Grandfather, which solves most of the confusion. I'll have to research that side a bit more.
Bert

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 22 Jan 2012 17:34

1881 England Census
about Emily Anderson Popple Name: Emily Anderson Popple
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Popple
Gender: Female
Where born: Deeping St James, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: Eastgate
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Deeping
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3199
Folio: 73
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Popple 47
Thos. Fredk. Popple 20
Georgina Mary Popple 13
Emily Anderson Popple 12
Lois Baxter Popple 7
Chas.Albert Popple 4
Minnie Popple 3
Ellen Harris 14

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:39

Based on the 1891 that Margee posted above, this is possibly the Barnard family in 1871:

BARNARD, William Head M 39 1832 Essex
BARNARD, Mary Wife F 39 1832 Middlesex
BARNARD, John Son M 18 1853 Middlesex
BARNARD, Louisa Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex
BARNARD, William Son M 10 1861 Middlesex
BARNARD, Jane Daughter F 7 1864 Middlesex
BARNARD, Edward Son M 5 1866 Middlesex
BARNARD, Samuel Son M 4 1867 Middlesex <<
BARNARD, George Son M 2 1869 Middlesex

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Registration District: Edmonton
Civil Parish: Enfield

Address: Clay Hill, Enfield County: Middlesex

Bertikins

Bertikins Report 22 Jan 2012 17:39

MarieCeleste, I got a lot of information from the Family Research website. The marriage records for Clara, Georgina and Emily Popple show the date 26 December 1895. It is possible, but I have my doubts.
Bert

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:42

Bert, joint wedding weren't uncommon - saved money that way.

Christmas and Boxing Day were two very popular days of the year for marriages then - it was a day when people would already be off work.

The marriages you refer to on the LDS site are not user-submitted so there is no reason to question their validity.

I don't understand your doubts.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 22 Jan 2012 17:44

1881 England Census
about Emily Anderson Popple
Name: Emily Anderson Popple
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Popple
Gender: Female
Where born: Deeping St James, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: Eastgate
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Deeping
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3199
Folio: 73
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Popple 47
Thos. Fredk. Popple 20
Georgina Mary Popple 13
Emily Anderson Popple 12
Lois Baxter Popple 7
Chas.Albert Popple 4
Minnie Popple 3
Ellen Harris 14



MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:45

1891 shows that Samuel may have already been married, the grandchild may be his son:

BARNARD, William Head Married M 60 1831 Gardener Pamdon Essex
BARNARD, Mary A Wife Married F 59 1832 Enfield Middlesex
BARNARD, Samuel Son Widower M 23 1868 Painter Enfield Middlesex
BARNARD, Charles Grandson Single M 2 1889 Enfield Middlesex
WHITELOCK, Stephen Lodger Single M 27 1864 Groom Aworth Sussex

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Registration District: Edmonton
Civil Parish: Enfield

Address: 1, Cottage, Russell Road, Enfield County: Middlesex

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 22 Jan 2012 17:48

A child of Emily & Samuel's?

Name: Archibald Vivian Barnard
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1893
Birth: 12 Nov 1892
Baptism Date: 15 Jan 1893
Father's Name: Samuel Barnard occ Painter
Mother's Name: Emily Barnard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Enfield St Andrew
Borough: Enfield
Address: 46 Harman Road, Cardigan Estate, Enfield
Register Type: Parish Registers

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Jan 2012 17:50

A possible for Samuel Barnard's death:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1893
Barnard Samuel 26 Whitechapel 1c 265