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I think I have been tracing the wrong Lydia CHAPMAN all these years! I had been looking at the Lydia born St Giles 1875, whose father was Wm CHAPMAN shoemaker (this was the info on her 1900 marriage cert to my grt grandfather). Now it just occurs to me she was 23 when she married, so born c1877! More likely this one:

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
CHAPMAN Lydia Auckland 10a 247


And in 1881:
William CHAPMAN Head M Male 41 West Auckland, Durham, England Shoe Maker
Mary Ann CHAPMAN Wife M Female 33 West Auckland, Durham, England
Lydia CHAPMAN Daur Female 3 West Auckland, Durham, England

Source Information:
Census Place West Auckland, Durham, England


Who knew there could be 2 Wm Chapman shoemakers! (Dammit I even have her St Giles birth cert!) Unbelievable, shows how sometimes we overlook little things that don't fit as we'd like!

Anyway I know her father was deceased at the time of her marriage in 1900. Can anyone please help with the 1891 census and also Wm's death please?

Thank you! :-)

UPDATE: NOT the correct Lydia after all - see below.

1891??

Name: William Chapman
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Chapman
Gender: Male
Where born: West Auckland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Brandon
Ecclesiastical parish: Waterhouses St Pauls
Town: Waterhouses
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4096
Folio: 79
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
William Chapman 41
Mary Ann Chapman 44
Lydia Chapman 13
Ethel Chapman 9

1901
Name: William Chapman
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Chapman
Gender: Male
Where born: West Auckland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Barnard Castle
Ecclesiastical parish: Barnard Castle St Mary
Town: Barnard Castle
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Teesdale
Sub-registration district: Barnard Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 4656
Folio: 55
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
William Chapman 61
Mary Ann Chapman 53
Ethel Chapman 19

AAH! Just realised why I had thought it must be the London-born Lydia!!!! :-S

In the 1901 census (as Lydia HUNTER, with husband David) she is in Wandsworth (where my grandfather was born), showing as age 23, born Strand, London.

This is doing my head in!!!

AND if the above Wm Chapman was alive in 1901, that theory is also stuffed.

Hmmm...just sent a message to someone with Wm & Lydia (Auckland) in his tree. Will see what he reckons.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: CHAPMAN, Mary Ann
Address: The Bank Barnard Castle


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CHAPMAN, William Head Married M 72 1839 Boot Maker West Auckland VIEW
CHAPMAN, Mary Ann Wife Married
38 years F 63 1848 West Auckland VIEW

Where is Lydia living after she married?

Thanks Jax, sorry about all this.

Cross-posting. At the time of her marriage she was living in Love Lane, Margate. They then lived in Dalby Rd, Wandsworth.

Can you see Lydia & David in 1911? David died in 1915 I believe.

gtg, be back later :-D

Not seeing them in 1911 at the moment, but if she said she was born Strand London in the 1901 surely the West Auckland one cannot be her?

Could this be David??

1911 England Census
about David Henry Hunter Name: David Henry Hunter
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Margate Kent
Civil parish: Charlton and Kidbrooke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 75 Troughton Rd, Charlton, Kent, London
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: BARGE TRIMMER
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Charlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 02849
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Woodward 49
Lilly Emma Woodward 11
Herbert Douch 31
Fred Willis Peacock 23
William Freeman 42
David Henry Hunter 32


States he married 7 years ago, 2 children born and still living......... sounding more like him!!

2 children baptised to David and Lydia; David Henry in 1904 and Lily Vivienne in 1905, both Wandsworth.


Dee x

The 1911 census

David Henry is stated to be a widower!

Cannot find a death registered for a Lydia Hinter apart from one in the Wirral, Cheshire, Dec Q 1906 - age given as 32 which is about right so could be considered a possible.

There is a registered death for David H Hunter in Thanet as you say in 1915.

???

Re-posting 1911 census - for my benefit

1911

370 WOODWARD, Emma Head Widow F 49 1862 Shrewsburynear Essex VIEW
370 WOODWARD, Lilly Emma Daughter F 11 1900 School Charlton Kent VIEW
370 DOUCH, Herbert Lodger Single M 31 1880 Postman Tunbridge Wells Kent VIEW
370 PEACOCK, Fred Willis Lodger Single M 23 1888 Sugnalman North Fleet Kent VIEW
370 FREEMAN, William Lodger Married M 42 1869 Dock Labourer Farnbridge Essex VIEW
370 HUNTON, David Henry Lodger Widow M 52 1859 Barge Trimmer Margate Kent VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2849 Reference:
RG14PN2849 RG78PN97 RD30 SD1 ED6 SN370

Registration District:
Woolwich Sub District:
Charlton Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Charlton and Kidbrooke

Address:
75 Troughton Road Charlton London County:
London


(David Henry Hunter aged 32 on original)




There's a marriage in 1911 as follows -


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: David Henry Hunter
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Margaret Georgina Amy Lowe
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 May 1911
Parish: Kensal Green St Andrew and St Philip
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: David Henry Hunter
Register Type: Parish Register



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Andrew And Saint Philip, Kensal Green, Register of marriages, P84/AND, Item 012



David Henry Hunter is a BARGE TRIMMER and a Bachelor ??


Address - 34 Kensal Road




1911

LOWE, Louise Mary Elizabeth Head Married
38 years F 53 1858 Washer In Laundry York Street Westminster VIEW
>>>>LOWE, Margaret Georgina Amy Daughter Single F 25 1886 Ironer In Laundry Borough of Paddington VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
43 Reference:
RG14PN43 RG78PN2 RD1 SD2 ED3 SN168

Registration District:
Paddington Sub District:
Paddington Central Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Paddington

Address:
34 Kensal Road County:
London

Whoa! You guys have been busy! Thank you!

Sorry I did not come back before, for some reason the site would not let me log in.

Well, this is all very interesting! For a start, I did not know David was a widower in 1911, that is very odd. And yes that is the correct David Henry, with the David Henry b. 1904 my grandfather.

Lily was his sister and I have had no luck finding her, family story is she moved to the US and married a 'chocolate millionaire' there! I guess Whitman or Hershey but who knows if it is even true.

***So where were the 2 children in 1911? I assume they are not with their father? And that Lydia is nowhere to be found. The remarriage is a big surprise!***

I agree that the Auckland Lydia is not the right one. This is what happens when you are bored and start looking at things again, not checking what you already know!!! So now I have to go back and re-enter William CHAPMAN and Emma MORLEY and their children into my tree. I had always been a bit dubious about this Lydia because she does not appear in 1881 census with her 3 siblings. See http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/753696
Though she seems to reappear in 1891 at a home in Strand. Fits with her father being decd by 1900 (and her thinking that was her birthplace I guess). Clearly she lied about her age.

So sorry to have wasted your time on the other Lydia. BUT you have uncovered some new info on David! Thank you for that :-)

I had assumed Lydia was still alive in the 1930s, remarried, and living in Sth Africa (though this is another brick wall), from my grandparents engagement notice:
Sunday Times, Sunday 16 December 1934
Freda Kathleen, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. Barnsley, of Albany, to David Henry Hunter, of Kalgoorlie, son of Mrs. L. Marks, of Capetown, South Africa. The wedding will take place almost immediately.

'The West Australian' notice says Mrs. Le Marks.

My mother told me that Lydia died in childbirth and the child died as well. But no evidence of this. Maybe she left and this was a cover-up story to save face?

P.S. the photo to the left is of Freda Kathleen HUNTER (nee BARNSLEY), my grandmother :-)

nudge for jax, Choccy & BatMansDaughter :-)

P.S. David is in hospital in 1911, no sign of Lily.

P.P.S. Looking at David Hy's remarriage to Margaret LOWE in 1911, I can't see any sign of them after that - no deaths? Possible birth in 1920 but that means the 1915 death for David is not him. And if it is, no remarriage found for Margaret, nor her death. So confused!

Is there an index that shows any additional info on deaths?
David H HUNTER d. Thanet 1915, June qtr, 2a 1382

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965

Name: Margaret Georgina Hunter
Electoral Year: 1933
County or Borough: Westminster
Parliamentary Division: Paddington


Address - 6 Elcom Street

living with Louisa LOWE



(STILL TOGETHER IN 1937)

Well done, Choccy! That's brilliant. :-D

No sign of David Hy in the electoral reg? Seems odd he would have died in Thanet if this couple seem to have stayed in Paddington area. Though I have no idea how close they are to each other!

perhaps David Henry was visiting relatives back in the Thanet area?

death certificate might throw some light on it

the distance between Paddington (a district of London) and Thanet (towns of Ramsgate, Margate and Broadstairs in Kent) is about 65 - 70 miles

(I live in Broadstairs)

Have you seen this?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about David Henry Hunter Name: David Henry Hunter
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1914
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: margate
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of departure: Southampton, England
Port of arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Philadelphia

NOK in the Uk was (looks like ); Aunt, Mrs E Brown. 11 Mill Place Margate.
Going to brother William Hunter (can't read where exactly) New York

Dee x

????

1881 England Census
about William Hunter Name: William Hunter
Relation: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Male
Where born: Margate, Kent, England

Civil parish: Margate St John Baptist
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 28 Church Street
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Margate
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 984
Folio: 69
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas P. Fox 40
Mary J. Fox 44
Walter Lawrence 13
William Hunter 14 months old