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Thanks for that, mgnv! If the family can't sort this out I'll have to buy a birth certificate.
Regards
Victor

Sounds feasible - from the 1911 census, we know "Harris" was born in England May 1906. 1901 has the exact dob - from experience, the day and month are OK, but the year is not entirely trustworthy.

I believe the reason for difficulties in tracing the life of 'Horace WHILE junior' after his return to England is that young Horace may in fact be the 'H' in 'William H. WHILE', born Aston in 1906 (Aston, A-J 1906, 6d, 435). This William married Isabella COWAN around 1927 (Liverpool, J-M 1927, 8B,105), and died in Prescott, Lancashire in 1966 aged 59 (Prescott, J-M 1966, 10F, 343). I am still trying to confirm this theory via family connections!

Kind regards
VICTOR

Yes, the evidence appears to be strongly in favour of Emily Ann nee CAPPER being Victor's mother. When I started this thread I was uncertain as to when Emily died, and whether Horace had re-married in Canada.

The evidence which you all put together leaves very little room for one to doubt that Emily was indeed Victor's Mum. I will just have to wait a year or so to get the definitive proof from Victor's birth certificate.

Many thanks to you all for throwing light on a very murky area of my knowledge!

Kind regards
Victor

Oh! How very kind of you!

I think we're all OK with Emily Ann Capper being the mother??

Best,
Maureen

Thanks for that! But how did you discover that Ida Evelyn Nielsen had 4 children - so quickly? It usually takes me weeks to make such discoveries! (But then I am still rather new to this game!)

With regard to 'Victor', (coincidentally the same given-name as myself!), I recently made contact with a distant relative who was his daughter. Like myself, she had left things rather late, and then struggled to find the name of her grandmother who died in Canada when her own late father was still a baby!

I will have to be patient, and wait a little longer for the 100-year rule to run out!

Many thanks for your interest and help.

Kind regards
Victor

Thank you Maureen. :-D

Can't beleive you remembered I'd got my xray speccy thingies, just must remember to take them off when the FIL comes round!!! ;-)

I can't pinpoint a death for Horace jnr, I suppose he could have died after 2005 though???

Got the delights of work in a little while, so I's be seeing yous later.

:-D :-D Darn,Dee but you're good!!!

I was getting worried about her!!!

Best,
Maureen

PS-Must be those Xray specs/binocs of yours! ;-)

Hi,

Here's Ida Evelyns' marriage;

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Evelyn While Name: Evelyn While
Spouse Surname: Nielson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1931
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 1137
Find Spouse: Joseph Neilson

Looks like they had 4 children.


And her death;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Ida Evelyn Neilson Name: Ida Evelyn Neilson
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1909
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1976
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 0479

And maybe Josephs' death??

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Joseph Neilson Name: Joseph Neilson
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1902
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1976
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 0844


Dee x

Hi Victor,

Margee (or someone) may correct me but I don't think that YOU can apply for the birth cert of George While until the 100 years is up.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Entitled.html

As to why Horace went back to England? Well-with no wife and several children AND a newborn on his hands.....and memories of the winters on the Canadian Prairies .......??

Just out of curiousity- why are you so interested in George E V? And what happened to Ida Evelyn?

Maureen



:-) :-) :-)

You people are truly amazing! Horace Reginald WHILE (sometimes called himself 'Percy') was indeed a son of Cornelia Jane nee ASTON, - and a nephew of Cornelia's brothers: George Rix and Edwin John ASTON. I had no idea that Cornelia's brothers had emigrated to Canada, or that Horace and his family had joined them later. The finding of Horace's actual location in 1911 has been another bonus for me!

One remaining puzzle is why Horace returned to England so very soon after the death of his first wife (Emily Ann nee CAPPER).

Thank you all so much for your highly valued efforts and contributions. I will now concentrate on the details provided, and continue my search for the birth of George Edward Victor WHILE in 1913.

Regards
Victor

:-D :-D I knew you'd pop in sooner or later!

I hope Victor checks his thread again,

Maureen

Look up at http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php


LAST NAME: ASTON
GIVEN NAMES: GEORGE RIX
DATE OF DEATH: 05/01/1922
AGE: 79
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: MALE
PLACE OF DEATH: BEAUSEJOUR
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1922,003244
REGISTRATION DATE:


LAST NAME: ASTON
GIVEN NAMES: EDWIN JOHN
DATE OF DEATH: 29/10/1931
AGE: 79
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: MALE
PLACE OF DEATH: WPG
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1931,044217
REGISTRATION DATE:

Aston
1901S1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000018902.pdf
1901S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000022857.pdf
[P12L29 - addy=N 1/2 SE36 T13 R7 E1M; d.o.immig=1884/6]

A search at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/001001-100.01-e.php gets:
Brokenhead Sec. 6, Twp. 15, R. 8, EPM - 1883-11-01
Beausejour Sec. 36, Twp. 12, R. 7, EPM - 1937-07-17 Unsurveyed - 1881-06-01

1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148099-00141.pdf
[addy=S36 T13 W7 E1M]

1906 Census Page Data
District: MB Selkirk District (#8)
Subdistrict: 04 (Townships 12, 13 in ranges 7, 8, 9, 10 east) Page 28
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-18356
18 213 Aston George Head M S 54

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001204649.pdf
[no addy given adjacent addy's are both S1 T13 R7 E1M]

1906 Census Page Data
District: MB Selkirk District (#8)
Subdistrict: 04 (Townships 12, 13 in ranges 7, 8, 9, 10 east) Page 10
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-18356
39 66 Aston E. J. Head M S 68

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001204640.pdf


1911 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001951181.pdf
[I read his name as Whyl Harris]


1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Manitoba / Selkirk / 9 Beausejour / page 5
1 34 Laurie James M Head M Oct 1856 54 1901 Links
2 34 Laurie Eleanor A F Wife M Oct 1856 54 1901 Links
3 34 Laurie Walter M Son S Mar 1888 23 1901 Links
4 34 Laurie Percy M Son S Mar 1890 21 1901 Links
5 34 Laurie Janet F Daughter S Mar 1892 19 1901 Links
6 34 Laurie Ethel F Daughter S Jul 1898 12 1901 Links
7 34 Aston Edwin J M Boarder S Nov 1860 50 1901
[Ancestry has Edwin J Arton - addy=CPR section house, Beauséjour village]

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001951154.pdf


For George & Edwin in 1916, go to:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1916/index-e.html
and search for district=Springfield, subdistrict #=18, then go to image 6 (of 30).
[addy= Town of Beausejour (from margin)]


1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: MB SELKIRK (#11)
Subdistrict: Brokenhead B-2 Page 12
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6435
29 106 Aston Edwin J M Head S Nov 27 1852 48
30 106 Aston George ? M Brother S Jan 25 1842 59


Beauséjour is abt 50km NE of Winnipeg; Brokenhead was another 20km N of Beauséjour.
Since the Beauséjour PO addy was S36 T12 R7 E1M and the Aston farm addy was S36 T13 R7 E1M, they were 6 miles N of Beauséjour.

Yes, Maureen, I was just looking at it and couldn't make head nor tail!

Just to pinpoint who they're with in 1911-says Horace is nephew to Head of House:
1861 England Census about George Rose Aston
Name: George Rose Aston
[George Rix Aston]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Aston
Mother's name: Mary Ann Aston
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 2176
Folio: 13
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Aston 43
Mary Ann Aston 42
>>George Rose Aston 19 Uncle in 1911
>>>>Cornelia Jane Aston 17 (Horace's mother)
Thomas Aston 15
Samuel Aston 12
Edwin Aston 9
Benjamin Aston 6
James Aston 48
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2176; Folio: 13; Page: 20
.....................
1901 Census of Canada about George R Aston
Name: George R Aston
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 59
Birth Day & Month: 25 Jan
Birth Year: 1842
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Brother
Immigration Year: 1886
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Eg Church
Occupation: Farmer
Province: Manitoba
District: Selkirk
District Number: 11
Sub-District: Brokenhead
Sub-District Number: B-2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin J. Aston 48
George R Aston 59

Source Citation: Year: 1901; Census Place: Brokenhead, Selkirk, Manitoba. Page 12, Family No: 106.

Maureen

PS-Margee-I'm not sure how I would have transcribed that scrawl. Can't believe Dee found them!!!

Well done, Dee! You're a better man than I. I searched that 1911 census for ages. No luck!

Unfortunately you wont find the birth just yet.. 100 year ruling.

It looks like Emily may have died with complications after giving birth to George (Victor) as she dies within 2 weeks of his birth.

Dee x

Oh for pete's sake!!! Well done,Dee!!!!!!!!!

Maureen

Here they are;

1911 Census of Canada
about Evelyn Harrie Name: Evelyn Harrie
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 2
Birth Date: Feb 1909
Birthplace: Manitoba
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: B R Acton
Mother's name: Emilie Harrie
Tribal: English
Province: Manitoba
District: Selkirk
District Number: 22
Sub-District Number: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
B R Acton 69
Meryl Harrie 32 >> Image states While Horace (Harris)
Emilie Harrie 34
Stanly Harrie 10
John Harrie 9
Harris Harrie 5
Evelyn Harrie 2