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Yeah - see if you can find for definite RTD's real parents!

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/daubeney/thread/1236400

Here is one for you - Re Abraham Barnett (the father of Joseph Thomas Barnett). I have the following:

From Marriage Cert of Joseph T Barnett and Emily E Darch I know following:

1. Abraham was Joseph’s father and he was dead by the time of the wedding – 4 Aug 1912.
2 Abraham was a Metal Merchant
3. Witnesses at the wedding were – Frederick James Painter, William Lawrence (see 1911 census) and Alice Maud Darch (Emily’s sister)

From Death Cert:

1. Abraham Barnett died 7 Feb 1912 aged 64 (DOB 1848!) and reported by Emily Gregory – Sister in Law – all living at 79 Smyrk’s Rd, Southwark, London.

From 1911 Census we have living at 79 Smyrk’s Rd, Southwark, London:

Name DOB Where born
1. Emily Gregory 1856 Southwark married in approx. 1876 11 children 5 living
2. William Lawrence 1858 Southwark married in approx. 1881 7 children 3 living
3. James Gregory 1889 Walworth Leather cutter – youngest of Emily’s children
4. Joseph Barnett 1886 Bermondsey Metal Merchant
5. Abraham Barnett 1846 Stepney Carman 1 of 1 child living

1901 Census – Living at 106 Upper North St with SIMMONDS

1. Abraham Barnett (1849) widow carman born Medgate Brother in Law of Joseph Simmonds
2. Joseph Barnett (1886) carman, born Bermonsey Nephew of Simmonds


1891 Census we have living at 14 Townsend St Southwark

1. Henry Gregory, Emily Gregory (1854), Henry, Joseph, Tom, Samuel, Emily, James (1889)
2. Abraham Barnett (1855) carman widow and Joseph Barnett (1886) school
3. Also Leedhams.

1881 Census we have living at 4 Spital St London (Southwark area)

1. Jacob (1848) and Abraham (1851) Barnett Brothers born Spitafields casual dealer in clothes.

However, I can find no info about Abraham's parents or spouse!!!! The only other thing I think I know is that he was probably Jewish (JT Barnett was according to the family disowned for marrying outside of the faith.

HELP.
You could also look at my earlier thread about Sexton/Rumble family and specifically about the mysterious Daisy Rumble!!

Mike

MC...... sheesh, gimme a problem with a fighting chance of solving lol :-D

T x

WF & Wall.... i would suggest moving location to a less hostile enviroment??

T :-D

Michael,

This is Joseph's Baptism....

Name: Joseph Thomas Barnett
Record Type: Baptism
Born: 6 Oct 1885
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1885
Father's Name: Abraham Henry Barnett
Mother's name: Catherine Barnett
Parish or Poor Law Union: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 15 East St, Walworth. Father: Carman

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Abraham's wedding.....

Name: Abraham Henry Barnett
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: Catherine Peters
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1884
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Joshua Barnett
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Peters
Register Type: Parish Register

Both living at 15 East Street.
His father: House Dealer (Deceased)
Her father: Cab Proprietor (Deceased)

T x

WOW! That was quick. I have been searching for some of that info for days! What/where did you use to get the info - i'm jealous :-D

Abraham's wife's baptism....

Name: Catherine Peters
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1859
Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1859
Father's Name: Joseph Peters
Mother's name: Catherine Peters
Parish or Poor Law Union: Newington Holy Trinity
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: Violet Place, Newington, London.

Abraham Barnett (1849) widow carman born Medgate Brother in Law of Joseph Simmonds
2. Joseph Barnett (1886) carman, born Bermonsey Nephew of Simmonds

I tried to find parents through Joseph Simmonds, if his wife was Abrahams sister thought I might be able to make a connection that way. What was Joseph Simmonds wife's Christian Name?

Emily Peters married Henry Gregory 1876.
So she was Catherine Peters sister.

Isabella Barnett married Joseph Simmonds 1888.
She had brother Abraham.
Parents Joshua Barnett 1816 - 1873 married Nancy (Mary) Benjamin 1844- 1898?

I think parents of Joshua were lazarus 1790 and Ann 1796.

Maryb.

Thank you all. I have the Emily Peters links and I know Abraham's BiL was Joseph Simmonds but I do not know his wife's details. Up to now I have been struggling to get the info above on Abraham and so did not explore the Brother and Sister in Law further. That will be my next few days task once I have tied in the above. Thank you all for your great help.

Bet you cannot tie down Daisy Rumble see below!

Married 18 Sep 1909, Daisy Rumble, 25 years, spinster, no profession given, lived at 35 The Hale Tottenham, father John Rumble, Provision Merchant.

Gustavus Hughes,26 years, bachelor, Sergeant 1 Mountain Battery Royal Queens Artillery, 4 The Broadway White Hart lane Tottenham, father Alfred Hughes (deceased), type founder.

However, I can still find no trace of Daisy with and John Rumble!

Thread was here http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1290331?page=1

Must sign off now for today as I am supposed to be cooking dinner.

Mike

Hello Tracy If your bored........

I am looking for Fred Barker. I would like to find his birth certificate, where he was born and the name of his parents.and if there were any other siblings.

Why ? Fred Barker married my mother in Wetherby- Yorkshire on the
29th.December.1941 Details on the Marriage Certificate are..........
Fred Barker-age-30-Bachelor-Rank or profession-Royal Engineers.
Sapper 2132947 (.Cafe Manager) Residence at the time of marriage.
29 High Street-Wetherby. Home Address 27a Station Road.Baildon-Shipley-Yorkshire. Father's name Fred Barker Deceased.master dyer.
Ada Margaret Powell-age 30-Spinster-Machine operator aircraft Production-address Stanhope Hotel-Rodley-Leeds.........
I know nothing at all about Fred Barker. I have so little to go on, and their are lots of Fred Barkers. I know there was a daughter Anne born 1942
but Anne died 2004, ( I only found out about this marriage after this date) Anne had 2 children But they know nothing of Fred Barker, Ada remarried in 1952 so did our Fred Die ? was he killed in the ww2.someone seemed to think that Fred was linked to Norman's Cafe in Shipley before the war. Would Fred or his parents be listed on any of the census's ? I have searched before. but could not find anything. so am still looking. Hope you can help.

Margaret.

Hi Tracey

How about this one for a challenge

Who were John Heatley's parents and was he linked to Captain Heatley of Brindle

John Heatley 1813
Born in Preston but trained at College of Surgeons in London.
Marriage: 19 May 1836 St George, Chorley, Lancashire, England
John Heatley - Chemist and Druggist of London in the county of Middlesex
Ellen Jackson - Spinster
Witness: John Roskell Arrowsmith; L Lucas; Ann Heatley; E Craven
Married by Licence by: Thos. Todhunter Minister
Register: Marriages 1836-1837, Page 5, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1526078

First two sons born in London
An entry in Preston Chronicle (Preston, England), Saturday, September 26, 1840; Issue 1465. lists John Heatley of Whittle Le Woods having obtained a Game Licence for 1840.
In 1841 living at Dalton House Whittle
In 1851 living on Rochdale Road Manchester: Recorded as Heasley
In 1861 living at 87 Beecroft Terrace Blackley Manchester
Died at home on 13 October 1867 Paralysis 5 hours.
Death reported by son Peter Ralph Jackson
Buried 18th October 1867 in Manchester General Cemetary, Harpurhey.
Manchester General Cemetery UnknownSection 6145 3 John Heatley

Simon why dont you just nudge up your thread this being one of them

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1212900

Margaret,

I have sent you a PM with some ideas for finding him :-)


Tracey x

Simon,

I've had a look at your John, and i can't really better what has been found for you already, sadly

Tracey x

Tracey
Thanks for having a go,
A real mystery how we can't find a surgeons parents.
I have AG Labs from 100+ years before.

Simon

The Ag Labs are not the Heatleys.

The Heatleys were easy to find back to John 1813 as they were all in Manchester.

John Heatley wasn't born in Manchester and I doubt to an Ag Lab.
My grandmother told me that there was a doctor in the family.
He died penniless somehow as well
A mystery is John.

Ok, yeah i deleted my comment when i re-read yours.... (been a long day!)

Have you looked at the Lancs OPC site? and have you searched the London Gazette?


Tracey x

Would you like another problem to be solved, Tracey? :)