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1871 - William is a General Dealer


They all appear to be living at the same address in 1851, probably a couple of rooms each family!

P.S. Choccy, does the 1871 give Wm Morley's occupation?

And surely all those names in 1851 were not all at the same address?!

Thanks Choccy! Yes I saw that one for Wm too but discounted it after I found them in 1881 census still together!

Need to get my head around this lot. They are very tricky!

William Chapman's first marriage ?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: William Chapman
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Spouse Name: Sophia Wright
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Dec 1858
Parish: St Botolph without Bishopsgate
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Richard Chapman
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Wright
Register Type: Parish Register


Both Willam and his father Richard are described as Shoemakers.

EDIT. EDIT.
Do not think this is the right William Chapman but will leave it posted.

1851

transcribed as MORLER

**Note there is an ANN MORLEY at the same address (?Mother) and Charles and Julia Morley**


328A LAWS, Francis Head Married M 29 1822 Labourer London
Middlesex VIEW
328A LAWS, Caroline Wife Married F 22 1829 London
Middlesex VIEW
328A LAWS, Jane Daughter F 1 1850 London
Middlesex VIEW

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329 MORLER, William Head Married M 27 1824 General Dealer Saint Margaret
Middlesex VIEW
329 MORLER, Caroline Wife Married F 28 1823 Saint Margaret
Middlesex VIEW
329 MORLER, Caroline Daughter F 5 1846 Saint Margaret
Middlesex VIEW
329 MORLER, Julia Daughter F 3 1848 Saint Margaret
Middlesex VIEW
329 MORLER, William Son M 1 1850 Saint Margaret
Middlesex VIEW


329 MORLEY, Charles Head Married M 28 1823 Porter Saint Margaret
Middlesex VIEW
329 MORLEY, Julia Wife Married F 23 1828 Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
329 MORLEY, Julia Daughter F 1 1850 Westminster
Middlesex VIEW

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330 ELLERY, John Head Married M 35 1816 Green Grocer Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
330 ELLERY, Mary Wife Married F 37 1814 Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
330 ELLERY, John Son M 6 1845 Scholar Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
330 ELLERY, Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1848 Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
330 ELLERY, Ann Daughter F 1 1850 Westminster
Middlesex VIEW

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331 OLDRICK, George Married M 35 1816 Labourer Westminster
Middlesex VIEW

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332 MORLEY, Ann Head Widow F 52 1799 House Holder Westminster
Middlesex VIEW

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333 LENURE, Joseph Head Widower M 63 1788 Silver Smith Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
333 LENURE, James Son Unmarried M 28 1823 Groom Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
333 LENURE, George Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Servant Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
333 LENURE, Charles Son M 14 1837 Errand Boy Westminster
Middlesex VIEW

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334 GREAVES, Charlotte Head Widow F 51 1800 Char Woman Hackney
Middlesex VIEW
334 GREAVES, Mary Daughter F 13 1838 Westminster
Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1480 Folio:
238 Page:
61

Sub District:
Saint Margaret Enumeration District:
1g Ecclesiastical Parish:
Westminster

Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
17, Dacre Street, Saint Margaret, Westminster County:
Middlesex

Probable Marriage of Richard Chapman and Maria

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Richard Chapman
Spouse Name: Maria Howard
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Sep 1824
Parish: Westminster St Martin in the Fields
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

1871

MORLEY, William Head M 46 1825 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Caroline Wife F 48 1823 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Charles Son M 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
127 Folio:
25 Page:
41 Registration District:
St George Hanover Square

Civil Parish:
St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Dacre St, St Margaret, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex




living next door -

1871

MORLEY, Charles Head M 43 1828 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Julia H Wife F 46 1825 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Charles Son M 17 1854 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Mary A Daughter F 15 1856 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Theresa Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, William Son M 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Henry Son M 7 1864 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Susan Daughter F 6 1865 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Caroline Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
127 Folio:
24 Page:
40 Registration District:
St George Hanover Square

Civil Parish:
St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Dacre St, St Margaret, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex

???
Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
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Gonselvas Caroline Westminster 1 348
Morley William Westminster 1 348

This seems an unusual surname, especially given she states she was born in Middlesex!

There are also marriages for Julia Hannah GONSELVAS (possibly to Chas MORLEY!) and Mary Ann GONSELVAS in Westminster in 1840s.

???
1881
Charles MORLEY Head M Male 51 Westmr, Middlesex, England Printers Warehouseman
Julia MORLEY Wife M Female 54 Westmr, Middlesex, England
William MORLEY Son U Male 17 Westmr, Middlesex, England Formerly Porter
Henry MORLEY Son Male 16 Westmr, Middlesex, England Printer
Caroline MORLEY Daur Female 14 Westmr, Middlesex, England Scholar
Susan MORLEY Daur Female 15 Westmr, Middlesex, England Scholar
Frances MORLEY Daur Female 20 Westmr, Middlesex, England Dom Servant
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Source Information:
Dwelling 8 St Margarets St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341025
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0112 / 87
Page Number 37

This is Caroline in 1881 - as soon as I saw it I knew the illegible street on the marriage certificate was Dacre! So witnesses were her parents.

Caroline MORLEY Head W Female 61 Westminster, Middlesex, England Charwoman
Charles MORLEY Son U Male 19 Westminster, Middlesex, England Carman
John T. WATSON Lodger U Male 25 Westminster, Middlesex, England Coppersmith (Unimployed)
Henry PENGRIEFF Visitor M Male 27 Westminster, Middlesex, England Letter Carrier (Cis)
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Source Information:
Dwelling 16 Dacre St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341026
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0117 / 108
Page Number 24

Any earlier censuses please? :-)

Just got the certificate, marriage took place at the Register Office, Westminster, Mdsx. Says:

20th August 1869
William Chapman, 36, widower, shoemaker, of 8 White Hart St, Strand, son of Richard Chapman, shoemaker
married
Emma Morley, 18, spinster, 16 D???e Street, dau of Wm Morley, general dealer.

Witnesses: William Morley and Caroline Morley.

(Emma's father & sister or father and mother?)

So all fits in terms of age and father. And he was previously married....hmm...! Does this help find Emma's parents???

Omg this is great! I just ordered Wm's marriage cert so if it says father Richard I will be a happy girl. :-)

Thanks, Choccy!

THEN WILLIAM & FAMILY probably
in 1841

1841 census - household transcription
Person: CHAPMAN, Richd
Address: Huntingdon Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets

census search results 1841 address search redefine current search
Name Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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CHAPMAN, Richd M 45 1796 VIEW
CHAPMAN, Maria F 40 1801 VIEW
CHAPMAN, Mary F 15 1826 Middlesex VIEW
CHAPMAN, Augustus M 13 1828 Middlesex VIEW
CHAPMAN, Richard M 9 1832 Middlesex VIEW
CHAPMAN, William M 7 1834 Middlesex VIEW
CHAPMAN, Charles M 5 1836 Middlesex VIEW
CHAPMAN, Eleanor F 2 1839 Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
709 Book/Folio:
1/6 Page:
5 Registration District:
Shoreditch

Civil Parish:
St Leonard Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
Huntingdon Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets County:
Middlesex

AND 1851

1851 census - household transcription
Person: CHAPMAN, Richard
Address: 28, Clements Lane, Saint Clement Danes, Westminster


census search results 1851 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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CHAPMAN, Richard Head Married M 55 1796 Shoe Maker
Pickworth Lincoln VIEW
CHAPMAN, Maria Wife Married F 51 1800
Williton
Kent VIEW
CHAPMAN, William Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Shoe Maker
St Clements West Minster VIEW
CHAPMAN, Charles Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Shoe Maker
St Lukes
Middlesex VIEW
CHAPMAN, Henry Son M 9 1842
St Lukes
Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
1512 Folio:
249 Page:
25 Registration District:
Strand

Civil Parish:
Saint Clement Danes Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
28, Clements Lane, Saint Clement Danes, Westminster County:
Middlesex

here are a William and Henry CHAPMAN together -


1861

CLUBMAN, Maria Head Widow F 62 1799
Welwyn
Hertfordshire VIEW
CLUBMAN, Willm Son Married M 25 1836 Shoemaker
St Clement Danes
Middlesex VIEW
CLUBMAN, Henry Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Shoemaker
St Clement Danes
Middlesex VIEW
BROMFIELD, Elizabeth Granddaughter Unmarried F 14 1847
Kensington
Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
178 Folio:
84 Page:
26 Registration District:
Strand

Civil Parish:
St Clement Danes Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
23, Holles Street, St Clement Danes, Westminster County:
London


CHAPMAN ON ORIGINAL !

1891

SHRIVELL, William Head Married M 44 1847 Art Metal Worker
Lambeth
London VIEW
SHRIVELL, Annie Wife Married F 46 1845
Whitechapel
London VIEW
SHRIVELL, Arthur E M Son Single M 19 1872 Art Metal Worker
St Martins
London VIEW
SHRIVELL, Annie C M Daughter Single F 19 1872 Milliner
St Martins
London VIEW
SHRIVELL, Marie I Daughter Single F 16 1875 Scholar
St Martins
London VIEW
>>>>CHAPMAN, Caroline Servant Single F 19 1872 General Servant Domestic
St Giles
London VIEW

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Piece:
213 Folio:
111 Page:
54 Registration District:
Strand

Civil Parish:
St Martin in the Fields Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Castle Street, St Martin In The Fields, London County:
London

Hmm so would it definitely say if he was decd?

Can I push my luck and ask you to check for Emma CHAPMAN b. 1871 St Giles and Caroline CHAPMAN b. 1873 St Giles in 1891 please?

I cannot find definite marriages using Free BMD, and they are not with their 3 younger sibs in 1891 (at a home in Strand). Maybe they are working somewhere. Seems unlikely Caroline would have been married by then.

Also (stretching the friendship further!) can you see above Henry CHAPMAN b. 1842 St Clements Dane/St Luke/Mile End Mdsx in the 1861 census please?

Thank you!

Cheers
Cherilyn

Not deceased on marriage record.

He is hiding somewhere in 1911.

Vera

Yes! Great work, Vera, this has to be him. :-)

P.S. Does it happen to indicate if father Wm is deceased?

???? Father William Chapman a Shoe Maker. Charles a Waiter.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Charles Henry Chapman Name: Charles Henry Chapman
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Ann Eliza Fruin
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Aug 1899
Parish: Somers Town St Mary the Virgin
Borough: Camden
Father Name: William Chapman
Spouse Father Name: John Fruin
Register Type: Parish Register


Vera

?????? He is a shoemaker working on his own account at home


1901 England Census
about Charles Chapman Name: Charles Chapman
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Chapman
Gender: Male
Where born: Strand, London, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Somers Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Piece: 146
Folio: 10
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Chapman 23
Ann Chapman 22
Charles Chapman 3/12
Frederick Anderson 18

Vera