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It might help if we knew when Frederick was born

could be one of these

Births Dec 1846 (>99%)
Siggs Frederick Chelsea 3 62
Births Jun 1850 (>99%)
Siggs Frederick Evanden Lambeth


not the Frederick E

Court of Chancery: Six Clerks Office: Pleadings 18... C 13/450/5
W1841 S19]. Siggs v Henshaw. Bill and answer. Plaintiffs: Henry Siggs and others. Defendants: John Henshaw, Charles Matthew Siggs and wife, John Nicholson, John Taber and John Archibald Stuart and wife. Amended by an order dated 26 June 1841: George Lackington
Date: 1841
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives

(not sure what this relates to, from National Archives, Kew)

Chris :)

This site might be useful, as the Siggs seem to have coem from Haverhill

www.haverhill-uk.com



sylvia

Re Frederick's birth


This was on ancestry, a response to a question asked by Kevin


"I have a birth certificate for Frederick, son of Charles Matthew Siggs and Margaret Ohren. He was born on 31st August 1846 at 1 Blenheim Terrace, St Luke, Chelsea. In 1861 Margaret Siggs (widow) was at Arthur St, St Luke with children Matthew, Louisa, Jessie, Frederick, Jane and Joseph. This is all I know about the Siggs line. I haven't yet proved it but I think Margaret was the daughter of Magnus Crosby Ohren, stationer of Broad Street, Ratcliff and Margaret nee Savage.

I am descended from a cousin of Magnus Crosby Ohren - Magnus Ohren, who was manager of the Bell Green gasworks in Sydenham, Kent. Margaret Ohren, who started this thread, and I are common descendents of Magnus's grandson, Edward Magnus Ohren, born in Devon in 1877."




so it sounds as if it is not certain that Charles Matthew's second wife was Margaret Ohren, or another Margaret ....... the possibility exists that it is the latter.

Re Chris's posting ..... the Court of Chancery


google Charles Matthew Siggs, and you should be able tor ead the whole case ..... it's the 7th reference down




sylvia

Research through the night!! Good effort people :-)

Margaret Ohren was christened in 1830 along with 2 other of her siblings. I think she was born in 1821. She was christened in St. Dunstan, Stepney.

James (Wiffen/Wiffing) Siggs was married in St. Dunstan, Stepney and his wife came from there.

Elizabeth Ann in 1851...Widowed. My Charles is still alive in London..

2 Charles Matthew Siggs.. It's bugged me for several years, now I've revisited the problem and it seems to be resolving itself thanks to people on here !

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

In answer to your other thread

Peoples ages changed on the censuses, some people didnt even know when they were born! It's quite normal for them to show with a couple of years either side

So, Fredericks age change.....doesnt mean he was Jessie' twin

And that's the question, isn't it? Frederick was born in 1846, confirmed. When was Jessie born? Unknown.

Theres no birth for Louisa as far as I can see either, it was not an offence not to register births until sometime in the 1870s

Or Matthew (whos name is really Charles)

Frederieck registered under both surnames
so maybe parents not yet married at the time

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Births Dec 1846
Ohren Frederick - Chelsea 3 62
Siggs Frederick - Chelsea 3 62


Maybe he and Jessie were step siblings ( or is it half siblings ?)

That's interesting Mike ! Ohren is the mother... can't find their marriage.. yet.

I have a copy of Fredericks birth certificate. Under 7. Signature,description and residence of informant it says: M. Ohren, Mother and the address.

My great great grandfather Joseph Siggs appears to be double listed as Joseph Ohren..

My family have never been religious !

These were also registered in her maiden name

Births Mar 1849 (>99%)
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OHREN Eliza Chelsea 3 81

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Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Ohren Sophia Jane Chelsea 3 74

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Births Jun 1854 (>99%)
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OHREN Joseph Chelsea 1a 135


Eliza dies though

Deaths Sep 1854 (>99%)
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Ohren Eliza Chelsea 1a 169

Does look as though the couple weren't married ( well not to each other anyway !)

Why would the births be double registered? Any idea?

Is this Margaret ?
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MARGARET OHREN
Birth:
Christening: 12 AUG 1830 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

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Parents:
Father: MAGNUS CROSBY OHREN
Mother: MARGARET




Deaths Mar 1889
Siggs Margaret -68 - Chelsea 1a 251