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Evening all,

Can anyone help please on how and the easiest way to find out who was living at 53 Balls road EAST Birkenhead in year 1923?
I am trying to find more information on William Hawthorn born abt 1890? motor mechanic,
Married to Mary Ruth maddocks May 1923,
on that marriage certificate it gives the above address for William and Fathers name James Hawthorn Labourer, but no details for Williams Mothers,
I keep going round in circles. and unable to more any further with my tree.

Many thanks Mary-Anne

maybe


1891 England Census about William Hawthorne
Name: William Hawthorne
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Hawthorne
Mother's Name: Mary Hawthorne
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2883
Folio: 50
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hawthorne 34 dock labourer
Mary Hawthorne 24
William Hawthorne 1

Mary Anne

Can't find anything on a James Hawthorn. There is a John Hawthorn married to a Mary O'Hare in 1888 which would fit with William's birth above. He was a Dock Labourer from Ireland. Sometimes Irish people changed their names so he could possibly be a James by 1923.


Birth Indexes
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Region Reference Order On-line
HAWTHORNE William 1890 Birkenhead Wirral Cheshire BIR/161/15 N/A

Marriage Indexes
Surname Forename(s) Spouse's Surname Spouse's Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Region Reference Order On-line
HAWTHORNE John O\'HARE Mary 1888 Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool Lancashire 2053LP/75/488 N/A

Vera

1901 England Census
about William Hawthorn Name: William Hawthorn
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Hawthorn
Mother's Name: Mary Hawthorn
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:28 oak St <<<<

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Piece: 3389
Folio: 119
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
John Hawthorn 42
Mary Hawthorn 33
William Hawthorn 11
Michael Hawthorn 10
Mary A Hawthorn 4

If you contact the library local to that address they should be able to do a look up for you on the electoral roll for that year and tell you who was living there - only those of voting age will show.

Dea x

Thank you everyone, will send an email off now :-D

Good luck with it - let us know how you get on!

Dea x

Will do thank you Xx :-)

The local library have sent a lovely reply to say they are looking into the above address, in the meantime after talking to relation we are now thinking William (Stewart?) Hawthorn November? 1889 may have been from Scotland, oh gee that’s another search altogether. Mary-Anne Xx :-S

Hello everyone, after months of research I have finally got hold of his birth certificate, and building my family tree.

I am in need of help again as stuck again on Military records:

William Stewart Hawthorn Born 1889 Mochrum Wigtownshire Scotland, William ended up living in Cheshire and I am wondering if he moved through the Military? And why he lost contact with his family on the farm in Scotland.

I found this Medal Military card, but can’t find any other records to go with it, although I am sure it does belong to my William, can you please help with the information below, you might understand better than I do?

HAWTHORN WILLIAM S, CORPS: RE RANK: SPE? REG NO: 41742 ROLL: MEDAL VICTORY RE/101B18 PAGE 3556
BRITISH STAR: RE/2B PAGE 584
CLASS 2 AR
THEATRE OF WAR (1) FRANCE
QUALIFYING DATE:11/5/15

Many thanks

Mary-Anne :-S

Many WW1 records were lost in WW2 bombings . It may be that his medal card is the only thing that survives .

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about William S Hawthorn
Name: William S Hawthorn
Regiment or Corps: Royal Engineers -rank sapper
Regimental Number: 41742

awarded the Victory Medal and the British Star Medal

fought in France

the page nos are just filing refs for the paperwork that went with the awards.

if you google each medal it will tell you what each were for,

oh Sapper, will do thank you ;-) Xx

Got a problem - this father does not match the name or occupation you say is on the marriage

1891
Name: Wm Hawthorn
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Wm Hawthorn
Mother's name: Isabella Hawthorn
Gender: Male
Where born: Mochrum, Wigtownshire
Registration number: 892
Registration district: Mochrum
Civil parish: Mochrum
County: Wigtownshire
Address: Gleadmein
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_406
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Hawthorn 34 - farmer
Isabella Hawthorn 33
James Hawthorn 4
John Hawthorn 3
Robert Hawthorn 2
Wm Hawthorn 1
George Hawthorn 1 Mo
Janet Hawthorn 73
Jessie Hobbs 14
Johnanna Cronie 22
Elizabeth Lamond 16
Wm McNally 21



Are you certain that the 1889 birth is the right Wiliam to match the marriage cert in 1923 ?


Name: William Stewart Hawthorn
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1889
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1976
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 0980

WW1 Army Service Record - some images do say William Stewart Hawthorn

Name: William Hawthorne
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 41742
Regiment Name: Royal Engineers
Number of images: 26


If the right man then quite a character

Late on parade, drunk, obscene language and overstaying his leave

When he enlisted in 1914 gave his occupation as slater bridging and age as 35 years and 4 months

24.2.19 gives home address as 1 Argyle Place, Maryhill, Glasgow

Gives birth parish as Milngavie, Dumbarton

It's rather a leap to insert a second forename.............when there isn't one on the marriage record

Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)

Hawthorn William Maddocks Birkenhead 8a 1111
Maddocks Ruth Hawthorn Birkenhead 8a 1111

Who witnessed the marriage?

How do you relate to this couple, who produced one daughter?

yes I have then all in front of me, on his death certificate: born 28th Novenber 1889 mochrum Wigtownshire, on his marriage it does say Father James Hawthorn (deceased)

You are right........ may be some skeletons in the cupboard, it appears William lost contact with his family, but defiantly the same family Xx

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1285341

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1285340

Another problem

If that service record is the right person, and it is a big if, then his age does not match that 1889 birth cert

Reggie, witness was Ruth Mary Maddocks Sister Elsie Maddocks and her husband to be Water Robinson also Williams wife name is wrong too....... really her Birth name was Mary Ruth Maddocks Xx