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How can I trace Eldest son's birth in South Africa?

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John Carter Bagley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Chapel en le Frith
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 510

1901 England Census about John C Bagley
Name: John C Bagley
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fhillis Bagley
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Fernilee
Ecclesiastical parish: Buxton St John the Baptist and Fernilee Holy Trinity
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 3273
Folio: 50
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
John C Bagley 79
Fhillis Bagley 52

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
Bagley John Carter Chapel le F. 7b 998 Scan available - click to view
Davies Phillip Chapel le F 7b 998 Scan available - click to view
DAVIES Phillis Chapel le F. 7b 998

Second Marriage

Deaths Sep 1889 (>99%)
Bagley Maria 65 Chapel le F. 7b 420

Death of his first wife

me: John Carter Bagley
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Mary Parish, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Fernilee
Ecclesiastical parish: Buxton St John the Baptist
Town: Fernilee
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2781
Folio: 59
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carter Bagley 69
Margaret Bagley 25
Elnora Bagley 22
Lydia Bagley 19

I have tried adding a reply but it doesn't seem to show up, in the meantime thanks everyone

Oh Wow...so much to add now and plenty more to look at. I had come to a brick wall with this side of the family. Thank you so much everyone. Thomas was married in December 1917, so he would have been 25 when he married. I believe he served in WW1, so in 1917 he would still have been in the services I presume, which explains why his address is given as Strensall York, there's a barracks there. If anyone could do a lookup on Military Records for me I would be very grateful

Oh Wow.....magic overnight...so much to add now, thank you so much everybody

1871 England Census about John C Bagley
Name: John C Bagley
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Bagley
Gender: Male
Where born: St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Fernilee
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 3639
Folio: 6
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
John C Bagley 49
Maria Bagley 46
John Bagley 16
Maria Bagley 10
Annie Bagley 8
Margaret Bagley 5
Eleanor Bagley 2

Eldest son John Born south africa

Name: Maria Bagley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John C. Bagley
Mother's Name: Maria Bagley
Gender: Female
Where born: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Fernilee
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: Horwich End
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Elem Teacher (School)

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3457
Folio: 66
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
John C. Bagley 59
Maria Bagley 56
Maria Bagley 20
Annie Bagley 18
Margaret Bagley 16
Elenora Bagley 12
Lydia Bagley 9

1881 census

Name: Maria Bagley
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 29
Father's Name: John Carter Bagley
Spouse's Name: Joseph Turner
Spouse's Age: 28
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Turner
Marriage Date: 9 Apr 1890
Marriage Place: Chapel-en-Le-Frith, Derbyshire, England

This is a possible for Joseph and Maria's marriage:-

Name: TURNER, Joseph
Registration District: Chapel En Le Frith
County: Derbyshire
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 7B
Page No: 1317

One of the other names on the same page is Maria Bagley.

Kath. x

Possible birth for Joseph:-

Name: TURNER, Joseph
Registration District: Atcham
County: Shropshire
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 6A
Page No: 605

Kath. x

From old occupations site:-

Stationary Engine Driver - Operated steam factory engine, used for all processes, usually linked by a system of shafts, pulleys and belts.

or:-

Stationary Engineer - Maintained the factory steam engine and machinery

Kath. x

What age was Thomas when he married please?

Thanks Kath....that's the family, so pleased at least I have something to go on now. Joseph was my great grandfather, Thomas my grandfather.
What would a stationary engineman be? Anybody know

Same family in 1901 census:-

TURNER, Joseph Head Married M 38 1863 Banksman Colliery Anscroft Salop
TURNER, Maria Wife Married F 40 1861 Draper
Chesterfield Derbyshire
TURNER, Tom Son Single M 9 1892 School Boy
Whaley Bge Cheshire
TURNER, Willie Son Single M 7 1894 School Boy
Whaley Bge
Cheshire VIEW
TURNER, Percy Son Single M 4 1897 School Boy
Whaley Bge Cheshire
TURNER, Harry Son Single M 1 1900 Whaley Bge Cheshire

Address:
Market Street, Yeardsley Cum Whaley


Piece: 3308
Folio: 26
Page: 44
Registration District: Macclesfield

Kath. x

Correction: Thomas is listed as being a paper manufacturer in New Mills not Joseph.