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A family from England were in Ontario in 1851.
Parents were George and Sarah BELCHAMBER, who had married in St Andrew Holburn in 1834, then had 3 children in England including Sarah in 1839 ...
Births Mar 1839
Bellchamber Sarah Dickinson Westminster 1 359 .......

and the family were 'lost' after the 1841 census.

Trying to establish where George was born ( ie. which county)
Does the 1851 Canada census show this please?

Trying to help a friend sort out this family.

Gwyn

This one?
(Ages at next birthday. They are inmates)
Sarah Belchambers
Gender: Female
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Birthplace: England
Province: Canada West (Ontario)
District: Haldimand County
District Number: 13
Sub-District: Oneida
Sub-District Number: 111

Sarah (13) and John (7) were born in England, county unspecified. They are not with George and Sarah.

Added;
Births Dec 1844
Bellchamber John Chapman Midhurst 7 414

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Bellchamber
Name: George Bellchamber
Spouse Name: Sarah Chapman
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 14 Jan 1834
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George Chapman Bellchambers
Name: George Chapman Bellchambers
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1842
Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1842
Father's Name: George Bellchambers BEER HOUSE KEEPER
Mother's Name: Sarah Bellchambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St Margaret
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

ADDRESS 21 Gardeners Lane

Did he definitely go to Canada?
George Bellchamber
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1850
Burial Date: 17 Jun 1850
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea St Luke
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Register

1851 Canadian census (actually done in 1852) is free here:

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/index.html

Was John definately George's son??

Did this Sarah Dickenson marry in 1856 in Canada to John Wicket who was 13 years older than her? John was also from England.

So sorry... so many phone calls !

Many thanks to you all for your help.

George who died in 1850 is probably the George baptised in1816, son of Henry and Elizabeth...Henry was a farrier.
This George's dates would fit better with the burial.In 1841 he may be a labourer 25, in St John's the Evangalist, Middlesex.

Friend has birth certs. for 2 of George and Sarah's children, but not for John born Midhurst district.... Although she has no follow-on from that John anywhere else in parish records or census.
From his name it would fit being Sarah's son, but one cannot assume, I know.

Friend had heard that there may be a connection to John WICKET in Canada, but has no details or dates. Any help with this would be great please.

IF, big IF, the George who married Sarah CHAPMAN was born in Sussex, he may be in my own tree, so we are trying to collect all the facts to see if the pieces fit.

Gwyn

1841

Name: George Bellchamber
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Margaret
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Margaret
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 738
Book: 2
Folio: 33
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
George Bellchamber 35 ..........beer house keeper
Sarah Bellchamber 35

Well that census confirms one of the baptisms as it is the same address of Gardeners Lane.

Thank you Mel.

Do you know if passenger lists to Canada are available for that time please?

Gwyn

Why are there no children with George and Sarah in 1841?
Have you found Sarah (1839)?

Odd isn't it patchem ....still looking for them

Gwyn

Well I can't find any passenger lists under the names of Sarah Belchamber or Sarah Wickett or John Wickett. I can't find a baptism for Sarah Dickenson Belchamber only her birth.

On the census I looked at on someones tree (for Canada) it said John was from England as well as Sara born 1826 and she born 1839.

Thank you for looking Mel.

Friend has been looking at trees on Ancestry linked to these names and knows for a fact that there is wrong information out there, ...unfortunately being shared by the look of things, sometimes with no sources so we are trying to establish facts.

One person in Canada writes that George bought some land over there in 1840s. As young George, the son, would have been too young, so this could be George the beer house keeper.

A Benjamin Belchamber of Petworth, Sussex left a Will with his wife Elizabeth named as beneficiary. On Elizabeth's death the money was to go to their sons, George and John. This son George was baptised in Sussex in 1806 and as Elizabeth d. 1844 the timing would fit for the money to be avaiable to emmigrate and possibly buy some land.

All theory, but difficult to prove that the George who married Sarah Chapman was born in Sussex and later moved to Canada.

A tree on Ancestry has George Bellchamber 1804 sussex buying some land in Canada in 1845. this is what it says.

Date
15 Sep 1845
Location
Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario, Canada
Description
Purchase of Lot 4, 100 Acres Through Indian Land Sale

There's also a tree on Ancestry that has George b 1806 as dying in 1838. However, it goes on to list 1851, 1861 & 1871 census for him!

Mel and MarieCeleste

Thank you for the extra information.
I note that the purchase of land was in the area where young Sarah and John are located in 1851/ 52 census, so that might be worth following up.

MarieCeleste... Great isn't it?
Obvious mistakes for everyone to copy..?
Friend has been through GRO and doesn't think George died in England.
She has contacted someone about this wrong information and has had a good response from one researcher, but until we can prove a few details it's hard to convince some people that they are on the wrong track.... even when they 'die' before they are seen in census.

Gwyn

Which children has your friend got the birth certificates for?
Thank-you