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Have been in contact with both Gipping and Waveney registry offices and they have been most helpful alas still no record of Matildas birth :-(

Many Thanks Roy I will give that a try

Karen

Karen, According to the info below the BMD registeres are now held at Suffolk (Stowmarket) and Suffolk (Lowestoft).
I have added below contact details for both, if you ring them they should be able to tell you which office should have the birth record for your rellie,
then you could apply for them to search for the birth cert for your Matilda

HOXNE REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Suffolk.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.7.1907 (incorporated into Hartismere registration district).
Sub-districts : Dennington, Stradbroke.
GRO volumes : XIII (1837–51), 4a (1852–1907).
Registers now held by : Suffolk (Stowmarket) and Suffolk (Lowestoft).


The Register Office
Milton House
Milton Road South
Stowmarket
IP14 1EZ
Phone number 01449 612054
email, [email protected]

and

The Register Office
St Margaret's House
Gordon Road
Lowestoft
NR32 1JQ
phone number 01502 405096
email, [email protected]


Roy

How do I go about doing that Roy ? any ideas ?

Karen

Just checked the index from jan quarter 1863 to dec quarter 1866 and nothing but their are no Aldous births for july quarter 1864,?

So i think it may be worth trying the registry office where the birth should have been registered, as another possibility is that it was missed off the index

Roy

Sorry Roy I was editing my post but laptop on a go slow :-)

Jax, Mmmmm that one past me by :-)

Roy

Wonder if it's worth doing a search page by page on the birth index just incase it is mistranscribed?

I think I do know that Porkie Pie and I had already seen this census before I made my comment

1881
Name: Agnes M. Aldous
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Metfield, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Yoxford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: School Masters House

Registration district: Blything
Sub-registration district: Westleton
George E. Pauly 37
Catherine E. Pauly 37
Robert C.A. Pauly 10
Katherine A.E. Pauly 8
Ernest A.E. Pauly 5
Herbert E.R. Pauly 1
Agnes M. Aldous 14

in 1891 she was a servant in London

poss marriage

Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Aldous Agnes Marian Pancras 1b 194>>>>>>>>>>>
Eyles Henry Daniel Pancras 1b 194
Illsley Benjamin Joseph Pancras 1b 194>>>>>>>>>>>>
Phillips Frances Eliza Pancras 1b 194

1901 she is living in Battersea with husband

Jax, Births were sometimes registered late even after it became a legal requirement in 1875 to register within 6 weeks

plus I cannot find a death or any census info for a Agnes M after her birth,

plus people did add forenames between birth registration and baptism, that why you have column 10 on a birth cert.

My grand father was always known by the name William but nicknamed harry every one always thought it was because his dad was also William,
on all the census's and his marriage cert plus death cert he was down as William but after he died and was buried whilst clearing his house out my mum found his original birth cert and his name was actually Henry William and his father was William Henry,

So nothing is to be taken for granted in this game.

Roy

I have found that with one of my gt gt grandmothers she was baptised but not registered but the rest of her siblings were...so it did happen, maybe just overlooked at the time?

Yes Roy I am sure that is definitely her christening july 1864 .I did see that date on Deborrahs tree(as birth date though) that she shared with me a few months ago but have been unable to contact her as to where she got the date from.

Its just strange that Matilda's birth wasn't registered as all her siblings were !!

Regards Karen

Agnes M was born in 1866 Matilda was baptised in 1864 I cannot see how that could be her

Karen, I take it that you have discounted the possible birth i posted above

Roy

There is an unsourced tree on Ancestry that has her dob as 31 Jul 1864, but it has no parents for her.

EDIT: There are numerous trees have that date - yours is one of them.

The reason why no birth can be found is quite likely that it was never registered. There were no penalties for not registering births until around 1874, so many before that time just went unrecorded.

Many thanks for everyones help I have now viewed this christening baptism info for myself on https://www.familysearch.org


I would still like to find her birth if anyone can help with this

Many thank Karen :-)

Thanks for all your messages you have found the right family and the christening baptism info sounds like its for my Matilda but I just need to know how I can view it for myself ?


The Matilda born in Depwade in 1866 is def not her ..

1) Harriet Aldous

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 05 Jun 1852
christening: 20 Jun 1852 Stradbrooke,? Suffolk,? England
residence: 1852 Suffolk,? England

parents: Thomas Aldous,? Phoebe



2) Charles Aldous

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 19 Oct 1862 STRADBROKE,?SUFFOLK,?ENGLAND
residence: Suffolk,? England

parents: Thomas Aldous,? Phoebe


3) Thomas Aldous

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 19 Aug 1851 STRADBROKE,?SUFFOLK,?ENGLAND
residence: Suffolk,? England

parents: Thomas Aldous,? Phoebe


4) Ellen Aldous

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 12 Aug 1866 STRADBROKE,?SUFFOLK,?ENGLAND
residence: Suffolk,? England

parents: Thomas Aldous,? Phoebe


5) Alice Aldous

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 1856
christening: 21 Sep 1856 STRADBROOKE,? BTS,? SUFFOLK,? ENGLAND
residence: 1856 Stradbrooke,? Suffolk,? England

parents: Thomas Aldous,? Phoebe



6) Matilda Aldous

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 31 Jul 1864 STRADBROKE,?SUFFOLK,?ENGLAND
residence: Suffolk,? England

parents: Thomas Aldous,? Phebe


all on https://www.familysearch.org

I wonder if she was registered as Agnes M Aldous the M being for Matilda

Name: Agnes M Aldous
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1866
Registration district: Hoxne
Inferred County: Norfolk, Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 538

this fits with the census info as it is registration district Hoxne

HOXNE REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Suffolk.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.7.1907 (incorporated into Hartismere registration district).
Sub-districts : Dennington, Stradbroke.
GRO volumes : XIII (1837–51), 4a (1852–1907).
Registers now held by : Suffolk (Stowmarket) and Suffolk (Lowestoft).



Roy

Yes Phoebe died and Thomas remarried Elizabeth

Deaths Jun 1867 (>99%)
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Aldous Phoebe 86 Hoxne 4a 340


Note has been added to FreeBMD to say she was 36 and not 86 at death