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John's birth
John Jordan Oct-Nov-Dec 1910 Dewsbury 9b 486

Michael's marriage
Michael Jordan Apr-May-Jun 1910 Dewsbury 9b 1109

Michael's birth
Michael Jordon Apr-May-Jun 1892 Dewsbury 9b 643

and if these confirm Ulick as the father, then the two certificates for the marriages posted above too?

Your friend really needs to buy the certificates for the birth of Martin, marriage of Catherine and also the death for Martin....all been posted earlier

There is a death registration that might fit:

Jane Jordan age 21, death reg'd Oct-Nov-Dec 1883 in Macclesfield Cheshire

Ahh good spot

Leah and Thomas are together in Macclesfield in 1901 with her mother (Dickenson), so it looks as if Ulick married Jane Swift

(Just posting Leah's entry for 1901:

Name: Leah Sanders
[Leah Dickenson]
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Sanders
Mother's name: Maria Dickenson
Gender: Female
Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Macclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: East Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Household schedule number: 217
Piece: 3309
Folio: 114
Page Number: 31

Name Age
Thomas Sanders 40
Leah Sanders 38
David Sanders 18
Isaac Sanders 7
Joseph Sanders 6 Months
Lizzie Ann Sanders 16
Mary Leah Sanders 11
Maria Dickenson 60 )

Re the possibility of Ulick having married before Catherine, found this one during my other searches

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Ulick Jordan Name: Ulick Jordan
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1882
Registration district: Macclesfield
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 248 (click to see others on page)

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Leah Dickinson Apr-May-Jun 1882 Macclesfield Cheshire
Ulick Jordan Apr-May-Jun 1882 Macclesfield Cheshire
Thomas Sanders Apr-May-Jun 1882 Macclesfield Cheshire
Jane Swift Apr-May-Jun 1882 Macclesfield Cheshire

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Annie 's marriage to John William Gannon - it looks as if this would be the couple in 1911, but Annie is said to be born in Macclesfield?

Name: Annie Gannon
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Batley
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Spa St Batley
Marital Status: Married (image say for 11 years)
Occupation: Rag Sorter
Registration district: Dewsbury
Registration District Number: 503
Sub-registration district: Batley
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 27246
Household Members:
Name Age
John William Gannon 30
Annie Gannon 27
Bridget Gannon 11
Agnes Gannon 3
John Gannon 1

He isn't obvious on the England census for 1901.

I note that his place of birth is given as County Mayo on the 1911 census and there is an Ulick/Alick Jordan in County Mayo on the Ireland 1901 census (transcribed as Alick but looks like Ulick on the image). However, he is a farmer with numerous children, so unlikely to be Michael's father.

The Irish 1901 census is free to view online, and might represent relatives to the family that you are following?

sorry about the previous post ,the keep trying bit should have been at the bit about the 1901 census and me not being able to find Ulick

Hi, keep trying without any luck so far.Going to take some time to digest all this info,and discuss it with my friend who's family the Jordans belonged to. Can any one find Ulick/Alick/Elick on the 1901 census. I

Re Martin Jordan/Martin Cassidy

It is possible that there are two individuals.

[Edit: the 1881 census has two young women in the Cassidy household
Bridget Cassidy head widow 58 b Ireland
>>> Kate Cassidy daughter unm 21 b Ireland
Martin Murphy lodger marr 32 b Ireland
Mary Ann Murphy daughter - 9 b Birstall (so presumably Martin's child, not Bridget's)
Thomas Murphy son - 2 b Batley (so presumably Martin's child, not Bridget's)
John Cassidy lodger marr 27 b Ireland
>>> Mary Cassidy wife marr 23 b Ireland (so presumably John's wife, not Bridget's)
Martin Cassidy son - 2 wks b Batley - so perhaps John and Mary's son, and if John is brother to Kate, then this Martin may be the nephew reported in the later census?

Indeed, in 1891 there is only Martin Jordan age 10, but in 1901 there is both Martin Jordan age 20 and Martin Cassidy boarder age 19, presumably the Martin Cassidy aged 30 in 1911

- and the nephew's father may have died in 1887?
John Cassidy abt 1853 Apr-May-Jun 1887 Dewsbury]

Alick/Ulick does not appear to be on the 1881 census, and may be still in Ireland at that point He does not marry Catherine until 1888.

As posted above, in 1891 the family were:
Alick Jordon 30
Catherine Jordon 32
Martin Jordon 10
Mary E Jordon 8
Annie Jordon 6 (all three children reported as being born in Batley),
so even Annie's birth is before the marriage.

Ulick/Alick may have had Martin, Mary and Annie by a different wife, perhaps married in Ireland? This would be consistent with Catherine reporting in 1911 that she married approximately 1889 and had only one child in the marriage (Michael b about 1892). However, I am not sure that this fits with trying to find the death of a previous wife.

There are these deaths of adult females in the Dewsbury registration district (Batley is in the Dewsbury district)

Elizabeth Jordan age 48 death reg'd Oct-Nov-Dec 1887
- but perhaps the wife of Thomas in Dewsbury in 1881 age 47?

Mary Jordan age 18 death reg'd Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
- probably too young to be Alick/Ulick's wife and perhaps the daughter of Thos and Elizabeth in Dewsbury in 1881?

It seems more likely then that Catherine may be the mother of some or all of Martin, Mary E and Annie (edit: particularly because Alick/Ulick reports being married for 30 years in 1911). I looked for baptisms in the online collection from WY archives and found none for this family but the collection does not include the Roman Catholic church baptisms.

Were the births registered? If so, were they registered as Jordan or as Cassidy?

Beverley, I'm not sure where Ellie got the 1904 shipping record. It may have been Ancestry (paid subscription site). You can search New York shipping lists for free on the Ellis Island site http://www.ellisisland.org/

I looked at the original image of the transcription that Ellie posted of a Martin Jordan arriving in New York in 1904. The original image had the details for that record crossed out. What that usually means is that the passenger's details were recorded but they didn't actually travel.

I'm not even sure that the 1904 shipping record was for your Martin Jordan - the details given for that one (even though he didn't travel) were for a labourer from Dublin.

Original looks like a U for Ulick. Married for 30 yrs.

1911 England Census
about Elick Jordan Name: Elick Jordan
Age in 1911: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: County Mayo, Ireland
Civil parish: Batley
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 42 Cobden St Batley
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Dewsbury
Registration District Number: 503
Sub-registration district: Batley
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 27243
Household Members: Name Age
John George Chappell 52
Bridget Chappell 50
John Gallagher 61
Martin Gallagher 30
Elick Jordan 55
Barney Frain 68

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The only way you will know what is correct or not, is to buy the certs....it all adds up though!



Ireland, Griffith’s Valuation, 1848-1864
Occupier: Ulick Jordan
Lessor: Viscount Dillon
County: Mayo
Barony: Costello
Parish: Kilbeagh
Townland: Cloonalison
OS Page Numbers: 73 and 63

Can I search the ships passenger list for free and what site do I go on? I don't quite get what MarieCeleste and Ellie have posted

This is Annie with John Gannon. Not having much luck with 1911.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Annie Jordan Name: Annie Jordan
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1900
Registration district: Dewsbury
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 1447 (click to see others on page)


John William Gannon Apr-May-Jun 1900 Dewsbury Yorkshire West Riding
Annie Jordan Apr-May-Jun 1900 Dewsbury Yorkshire West Riding
Ethel Smith Apr-May-Jun 1900 Dewsbury Yorkshire West Riding
Harry Spurr Apr-May-Jun 1900 Dewsbury Yorkshire West Riding

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hi all,
Back on line after showing friend all the info. We are both trying to figure out if Martin Cassidy and Martin Jordan are one of the same. Is there any possibility that anyone can find Ulick Jordan on the 19901 and 1911 census. He died in 'sept'1911. Also Mary E and Annie Jordan.

Hi to all who posted replies to my request. I am going off line now , going to show my friend all you've given me and see if any info ' rings a bell' with him. Will be back soon

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Martin Cassidy
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Dewsbury
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 941

It's looking like he just didnt marry. Youre friend will need to send for the death certificate to confirm one way or the other

On the original of the 1904 NY arrival that Ellie posted, the line for Martin Jordan has been crossed out.

On the 1901 I posted above, both Martin Cassidy AND Martin Jordan are listed. But, the birthplace for that Martin Cassidy is Ireland. Too much of a coincidence, though?

Name: Ulick Jurdan
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1888
Registration district: Dewsbury
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 1113

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Name: Catherine Cassidy
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1888
Registration district: Dewsbury
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9b

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Catherine Cassidy