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Hi

Can anyone help solve this mystery please.

My Gt Gt Grandfather was John Broomfield/Bromfield ( Sawyer)born 1820 in either Prees shropshire or Audlem cheshire depending on what he felt like saying.

His father was John Broomfield/Bromfield c1796 his mother was Catherine Humphreyson 1796 to 1865.

I have found both on all Census.

My problem is that I have John and Catherine's children listed as
Thomas 1817 John 1821 (my Gt Gt Grandad), Richard 1833,Fanny 1837,Harriett 1843.You will notice that there is a gap in births between John 1821 and Richard 1833 which seems a bit strange.

I have now received an email from a lady overseas who says that there was another sibling George born 1830 who married a Sarah Phillips in 1859.
she has a copy of his marriage certificate which states that his father was John Broomfield (Sawyer).
So she has presumed that his father was my Gt Grandad x 3, and that John Grandfather x 2 was her George's brother.

The problem we are both having is that neither of us can find George Brooomfield/Bromfiled prior to his marriage to Sarah, we have him on all other census.
On some of the Census George states that he was born in Audlem.

Can anyone please find George Broomfield/Bromfield on the 1851 or 1841 Census please.

Rgds
Cheryl g

Can you post one of the cenuses after the marriage, for YOB and POB, please.

Cheryl.

Have you tried Grandparents?

Could he have been staying with a maternal relative?


T x

1861 do you mean this one ??

Name: George Bromfield
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Bromfield
Gender: Male
Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Knutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Silverdale
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 1922
Folio: 31
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
George Bromfield 33
Sarah Bromfield 35
Thomas Phillips 12
Jane Broomfield 9
Henry Lee Broomfield 6
Joseph Broomfield 2

For reference - Do I take it this is him on 1861??

1861 England Census
about George Bromfield Name: George Bromfield
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Bromfield
Gender: Male
Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Knutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Silverdale
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 1922
Folio: 31
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
George Bromfield 33 - stone mine labourer
Sarah Bromfield 35
Thomas Phillips 12 - stepson
Jane Broomfield 9
Henry Lee Broomfield 6
Joseph Broomfield 2


Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 1922; Folio: 31; Page: 24; GSU roll: 542888.



Dea x

John and Catherine in 1841 - if George was from this family, he would fit between John and Richard:

1841 England Census
about Richard Bramfield
Name: Richard Bramfield
[Richard Broomfield]
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Audlem
Hundred: Nantwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wrenbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 116
Book: 20
Folio: 9
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Bramfield 45
Catherine Bramfield 45
John Bramfield 20
Richard Bramfield 8
Henry Bramfield 5

1841
???????
Although the image is Brookpils...thought I would show you


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THOMAS, John M 35 1806 Shropshire VIEW
CORBET, Andrew M 40 1801 Shropshire VIEW
>>>>>BROOKPILS, George M 20 1821 Shropshire VIEW male servant
TEECE, Willm M 20 1821 Shropshire VIEW
LLOYD, John M 25 1816 Shropshire VIEW
BENNETT, Richd M 30 1811 Shropshire VIEW

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Piece:
911 Book/Folio:
8/41 Page:
16 Registration District:
Atcham

Civil Parish:
Pontesbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
Part Of Onslow Hall, Pontesbury County:
Shropshire

Regards Vera

Hi Dea & Glitterbabe,

Yes thats what I've found for him, well the one I'm assuming his him.

Have found his Grandparents he's not with them.
Grandparents 1841

John Bramfield
[John Broomfield]
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Audlem
Hundred: Nantwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wrenbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 116
Book: 20
Folio: 9
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Bramfield 45
Catherine Bramfield 45
John Bramfield 20
Richard Bramfield 8
Henry Bramfield 5


Grandparents 1851
John Bromfrield
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catharine Bromfrield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Audlem, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Hankelow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Bunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 2170
Folio: 430
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
John Bromfrield 54
Catharine Bromfrield 55
Richard Bromfrield 16
Henry Bromfrield 3
Harriott Bromfrield 8


Thanks ladies for the quick reply, much appreciated.
Cheryl

From this birth reg it looks as if he and Sarah were together before marriage:

Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
Broomfield Jane Phillips Wolstanton 6b 106

In 1851, Sarah is living (unmarried) with her parents and son Thomas in Chorlton, Staffs. George must be somewhere nearby.

Hi Vera

Will take I look as the name Broomfield gets translated as all sorts.

Cheryl

Do you have the details from that marriage cert please?

Names, addresses, ages, fathers, occupations and witnesses.

Dea x

Hi Potty

I agree but where????????

Rgds
Cheryl

Hi Vera

Just taken a look at the one you said for 1841 but it looks like Brookfields not Broomfields/ Bromfieild

rgds
Cheryl

Hi,
I found mine on FMP..... Brookpils

Regards Vera

What about this one on 1851?? - He is in Wolstanton (same area as Sarah).

Remember, these entries on the census were, I believe, copied down from other sheets.

Interestingly, the person below George has the birth place of Audlem, Cheshire !! - Could the entry have been copied down incorrectly?

LEESE, William Head Unmarried M 68 1783 Farm Bailiff Gnosall Staffordshire
BETTANY, Mary Servant Widow F 70 1781 House Keeper Gnosall Staffordshire
BROMFIELD, George Servant Unmarried M 25 1826 Agr Lab Audley Staffordshire

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Piece:
2003 Folio:
567 Page:
13 Registration District:
Wolstanton

Civil Parish:
Rushton Grange Municipal Borough:
Stoke upon Trent Address:
Grange Farm, Grange Lane Cobridge, Rushton Grange, Stoke Upon Trent County:
Staffordshire

Dea x

Hi Dea

I dont have the marriage certificate its lady from overseas that has it.

But she says that its got George's age as 29 his father as John Broomfield (Saywer) and a Thomas Broomfield as a witness.
Thomas was an elder brother of My Gt Grandad x 2.

So it does all tie in, I havent got the Marriage certificate because until she emailed me I didn't have George on my tree.

Rgds
Cheryl

Hi Dea

Here's thomas in 1851

Thomas Broomfield
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Broomfield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Buerton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Monks Coppenhall
Town: Monks Coppenhall
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Piece: 2169
Folio: 57
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Broomfield 34
Martha Broomfield 29
Betsy Broomfield 8
John Broomfield 5

Rgds
Cheryl

Sorry, I am a bit confused now. I thought George was John and Catherine's son, not there grandson?

Hi Dea

Where have you found that one, I can't find it???

Cheryl x

Hi Potty

According to the overseas lady she says George was Son of John(1796) and Catherine, and brother of John (1820).

Rgds
Cheryl x