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Thank you for that info

Are you saying the marriage between florence Catt & John Bailey took place at St john the Baptise ? Iy would be worth seeing who the fathers were

The Catt family is the one that i'm not sure on the only ones to be found are from London I've got to check on this

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Marjorie's birth was rego'ed in the Newton-in-Makerfield subdistrict - this (and the parish) were renamed to Newton-le-Willows in 1939.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1924
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BAILEY Marjorie G Newton-le-Willows St Helens NLW/102/85

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1923
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BAILEY John W CATT Florence St John the Baptist, Earlstown St Helens C14/3/365


Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Smith Ellen I Shone Warrington 8c 335

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Smith Lily Shone Warrington 8c 273

Births Dec 1922 (>99%)
Smith James S Shone Warrington 8c 235

Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
Smith George Shone Warrington 8c 228

Births Sep 1928 (>99%)
SMITH Frederick Shone Warrington 8c 207

Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Smith Evelyn Shone Warrington 8c 202
[All the above (excl George) were rego'ed in Newton - George's page hasn't been transcribed yet on LancsBMD]
[There is another Smith-Shone marr James & Jenny 1922 @ Ardwick]

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Shone Elizabeth Smith Warrington 8c 269
Smith James Shone Warrington 8c 269
[Of the Newton churches, only St John the Baptist has been transcribed at LancsBMD]

Grace i found was born about 1897

yES i CAN SEE THAT IS THE MARRIAGE FOR 1911 CENSUS

YES NOW YOU POINT IT OUT THE HALF SISTER DOESN'T COME INTO IT,

aS YOU SAY i'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET A CERTIFICATE

THANK YOU

To know for sure would be to get her B/C....Why do you think she is a half sister that marriage took place before she was born

.I added the above as that is the Sarah in the 1911 ......Newmarket covers Soham where she states she was born

Where did you get Sarah Elizabeth Stride from

Not sure now ?/
That marriage fits in with the birth of Grace 1876/7 and their was a question if Grace was a sister or half sister ??

confused now :-S

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
>>>>>>Ames Sarah Islington 1b 480
Atkins Ada Islington 1b 480
>>>>>>Catt William Charles Islington 1b 480
Freshwater John Edward Islington 1b 480
____________________

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
Ames Sarah Elizabeth Newmarket 3b 577

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
CATT William Charles Hastings 2b 28

Thank you Jan...

sorry for the delay I make a point off coming off the net about 9pm

I'll have a good look at what you've given me first glance it looks good

grace could have been born after 1911??

Info was very Vague that I was given

But thanks to all the help I think I can start finding out more!!!

Sylvia

1901 John married Fanny ? so Sarah married George




1901 census transcription details for: 1, Palmerston Road Poplar Avenue, Aston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 2859 Folio: 18 Page: 28


Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Deritend
Parish: Aston Enum. District: 41
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Palmerston Road Poplar Avenue, Aston
County: Warwickshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
CONGDON, John D Head Married M 36 1865 Retired Tobacconist
Launceston
Cornwall
CONGDON, Fannie Wife Married F 36 1865
Southampton
Hampshire

? this might be her marriage to one of these.not finding a Catt/Congdon or Osboune marriage at the moment so if it is her perhaps they didn't marry ( and this is why no years were recorded on the 1911 census )
Marriages Dec 1892 (freeBMD)
Congdon John Dynham S. Stoneham 2c 87 ****
Osbourne George Alexander F S Stoneham 2c 87 ****
Stride Sarah Elizabeth S. Stoneham 2c 87
Toole Fanny S. Stoneham 2c 87

birth that fits
Births Jun 1874
Stride Sarah Elizabeth S. Stoneham 2c 69

1911 she is a patient
CATT, Grace Patient Single F 14 1897 School London Camden TN
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
710 Reference:
RG14PN710 RD9 SD2 ED28 SN1

Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
South St Pancras Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
St Pancras

Address:
Gower Street W C County:
London

1911 mother is Sarah Elizabeth! says married (no year s given) 2 children living not sure where Grace is

1911 census transcription details for: 16 Gower Place W C

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN692 RG78PN24 RD9 SD2 ED9 SN132


Reg. District: St Pancras Sub District: South St Pancras
Parish: St Pancras Enum. District: 9
Address: 16 Gower Place W C
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
SCOTT, Mary Ann Head Widow F 69 1842 Householder Cambridgeshire Kennett
CATT, William Charles Edward Lodger Married M 45 1866 Packer Hastings Sussex
CATT, Sarah Elizabeth Lodger Married F 38 1873 Soham Cambridge
CATT, Florence Daughter F 13 1898 School London
LYNCH, Joseph Michael Boarder Single M 27 1884 Journalist Sydney N Sw Visitor
CATT, Buntard Rudolph M Roh Boarder Single M 34 1877 Floral Artist Kiel / Holstein Resident
PAPPSCRIFS, S Boarder Single M 22 1889 Cook Volos Greece Resident

Looking at names given how about these??
death
Name: BAILEY, Florence Registration district: Warrington County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1983 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Date of Birth:28 November 1899 Volume no: 35 Page no: 0928

1901
RG number: RG13 Piece: 132 Folio: 94 Page: 47


Reg. District: St Pancras Sub District: Regent's Park
Parish: St Pancras Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St Matthews City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 59, Arlington Road, St Pancras
County: London

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
CATT, William C Head Married M 35 1866 Furniture Packer
N K
Sussex
CATT, Sarah Wife F 29 1872
Soham
Cambridgeshire
CATT, Grace Daughter F 4 1897
St Pancras
London
CATT, Florence F 1 1900
St Pancras
London

can you find out about any death info for anyone,that might help with birth years?

Thanks Pam

I wasn't looking forward to the Smith Family But that gives me something to work from.

The smith side
1912 James Smith married Elizabeth Shone Warrington
1922 SMITH James S Newton-le-Willows St Helens Shone

Thanks Shirley

Just been trying to find Florence in 1911 but the only Catt's were in London ?
As I said the other Name given was Grace Catt must have been sister to Florence birthdate 19 Dec ???? which isn't much help

To throw a cog in the wheel another name I was given was Sarah Elizabeth Stride Not sure who's mother that was William's or Florence's ??

sorry i did copy it but it didnt post it :-(

Marriages Sep 1923 >>>

Catt Florence spouse Bailey Warrington 8c 312

Bailey John W spouse Catt Warrington 8c 312

Sorry Got it Just got confused ( an age thing)

What year was the marriage