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DevonJon
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21 Mar 2012 21:41 |
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Hi
Family search provides above marrying a J thompson 17 Jun 1822 in Muncaster.
The Lancashire on line archive provides said marriage took place on 13 June 1822.
Now same gent married a margeret steele same place on 20 april 1836 (accord to lancs site) but Family search gives it as 4 May 1836. Curiously Lancs site has a further marriage for them on 30/12/1835..same name details etc...
Why the difference and which is right? from what i can see the earlier dates are not banns.
JON
PS: family link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXV5-W5N
Lancs link: http://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/CalmView/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog
if they work !
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MarieCeleste
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21 Mar 2012 22:18 |
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The Lancs link isn't working - can you copy and paste what you found?
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DevonJon
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21 Mar 2012 22:23 |
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here's the entry for the nicholson / thompson marriage:
Lancashire Archives
Level Item
Reference number ARR 11
Title Marriage Bond
Date 13/06/1822
Description Groom surname: Thompson
Groom forename(s): Joseph
Groom age: 29
Groom occupation/status: Gentleman
Groom marital status: Bachelor
Groom domicile:
Place 1: Brackenwall
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Bride surname: Nicholson
Bride forename(s): Mary
Bride age: 24
Bride marital status/occupation: Singlewoman
Bride domicile:
Place 1: not given
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Place of marriage:
Church: not given
Place 1: not given
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
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the entry for the 1st thompson / steele marriage :
Repository Lancashire Archives
Level Item
Reference number ARR 11
Title Marriage Bond
Date 30/12/1835
Description Groom surname: Thompson
Groom forename(s): Joseph
Groom age: 21
Groom occupation/status: Yeoman
Groom marital status: Widower
Groom domicile:
Place 1: Brankinwall
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Bride surname: Steel
Bride forename(s): Margaret
Bride age: 21
Bride marital status/occupation: Spinster
Bride domicile:
Place 1: not given
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Place of marriage:
Church: not given
Place 1: not given
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Notes:
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entry for the 2nd thompson / steele marriage :
Lancashire Archives
Level Item
Reference number ARR 11
Title Marriage Bond
Date 20/04/1836
Description Groom surname: Thompson
Groom forename(s): Joseph
Groom age: 21
Groom occupation/status: Yeoman
Groom marital status: Widower
Groom domicile:
Place 1: Brankenwell
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Bride surname: Steele
Bride forename(s): Margaret
Bride age: 21
Bride marital status/occupation: Spinster
Bride domicile:
Place 1: not given
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Place of marriage:
Church: not given
Place 1: not given
Place 2: Muncaster
Place 3: Cumberland
Notes:
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21 Mar 2012 22:32 |
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" The Lancashire on line archive provides said marriage took place on 13 June 1822. " ....
No, it says 13th June was the date of the BOND.
Title : Marriage Bond (not marriage)
Marriage bonds and allegations only exist for couples who applied to marry by licence. They do not exist for couples who married by banns
The marriage allegation was the document in which the couple alleged (or frequently just the groom alleged on behalf of both of them) that there were no impediments to the marriage
The marriage bond set a financial penalty on the groom and his bondsman (usually a close friend or relative) in case the allegation should prove to be false
After 1823 marriage bonds were no longer made. Only the allegations were made after this date
The sum named on the bond was not the price of the marriage licence. It was the penalty sum, and was set deliberately high to deter irregular marriages
The existence of a marriage bond / allegation merely shows that a marriage licence was applied for. It does not prove that the couple ever married
Canon law stipulated that the marriage bond should state where the marriage should take place; sometimes a choice of two parishes in given. There are, however, occasions where couples seem to have disregarded this and married somewhere else entirely
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 22:32 |
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MARY NICHOLSON Pedigree
Female Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: JOSEPH THOMPSON Family
Marriage: 17 JUN 1822 Muncaster, Cumberland, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 22:34 |
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MARGARET STEELE Pedigree
Female Family
Burial:
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Marriages:
Spouse: JOSEPH THOMPSON Family
Marriage: 04 MAY 1836 Muncaster, Cumberland, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 22:34 |
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presumably Mary Nicholson died?
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 22:45 |
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John Thompson
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 02 Mar 1828 Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
parents: Joseph Thompson,? Mary
name: John Thompson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Mar 1828
baptism/christening place: Muncaster, Cumberland, England
father's name: Joseph Thompson
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: I03761-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1472059
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 22:46 |
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William Nicholson Thompson
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 27 Jul 1824 Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
parents: Joseph Thompson,? Mary
name: William Nicholson Thompson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 27 Jul 1824
baptism/christening place: Muncaster, Cumberland, England
father's name: Joseph Thompson
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: I03761-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1472059
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DevonJon
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21 Mar 2012 22:54 |
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thank you Mike - I really appreciate that and understand the difference.
thanks Anne yes - those are what i had and armed with the Lancs info indicating Joseph was a widower when marring Margaret steele am assuming Mary Nicholson died. But not before they'd have at least 2 sons from what i can tell (john b1828 and William Nicholson Thompson b 1824).
My real interest is this entry.....
Adah Thompson Steele
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 Apr 1832
baptism/christening place: Muncaster, Cumberland, England
mother's name: Margaret Steele
....as Ada Thompson is my definite fixture going back....(her marriage cert shows father as joseph thompson - gentleman) and perhps indicates a little fling to the side before things were put straight perhaps once mary had died.......
And until 30mins ago I'd spent 3 yrs tring to work out if Ada was connected to Joseph Thompson of Brankinwall (with wills from Kew) and thanks to that Lancs site ...as details above it does connect the dots....with that Jospeh, Margaret and then Adah.
I can find Thompson name associated with Brankenwell going back to 1604 (Hugo) . Somehow it seems around the 1830/40 time a few hundred years of thompsons owning Brakenwall stopped. Which gives me my next goal - why !
time for a drink- 3yrs !
J
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 23:18 |
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Joseph Thompson
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 04 May 1836 Muncaster,?Cumberland,?England
spouse: Margaret Steele
groom's name: Joseph Thompson
bride's name: Margaret Steele
marriage date: 04 May 1836
marriage place: Muncaster,Cumberland,England
indexing project (batch) number: M01184-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 90649
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 23:19 |
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I can find no children for the above marriage
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 23:21 |
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Adah Thompson Steele
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 25 Apr 1832 Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
parents: Margaret Steele
name: Adah Thompson Steele
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 Apr 1832
baptism/christening place: Muncaster, Cumberland, England
mother's name: Margaret Steele
indexing project (batch) number: I03761-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1472059
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AnnCardiff
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21 Mar 2012 23:22 |
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there are many Thompson Steele's born in Cumberland
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DevonJon
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21 Mar 2012 23:34 |
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what do you think am doing wrong ? As I tried that angle and whole of Family Search has only 20 thompson steele with no other parameters entered at all. none are in cumberland.
ie:
Historical Records
1-20 of 20 results for >Name: thompson steele
Mary Thompson Steele
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924
residence: Baltimore,? Maryland
immigration: 21 Sep 1906
Mae Thompson Steele
North Carolina Deaths, 1931-1994
birth: 03 Nov 1906 Union County,? N.C.
death: 17 Sep 1964 Charlotte,? Mecklenburg Co.,? North Carolina
burial: 18 Sep 1964 Charlotte,? N.C.
residence: 17 Sep 1964 Charlotte,? Mecklenburg,? N.Carolina
parents: J.F. Thompson,? Martha Biggers
spouse: W. Earle Steele
Mary T. Thompson Steele
Massachusetts Deaths and Burials, 1795-1910
birth: 1814
death: 09 Nov 1872
parents: William Thompson,? Agnes
spouse: James Steele
Mary Ann Thompson Steele
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Steele
child: Andrew Steele
Martha Thompson Steele
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: William John Thompson
child: Jane Thompson
Mary Ann Thompson Steele
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Steele
child: Andrew Steele
Caroline Thompson Steele
Jamaica Births and Baptisms, 1752-1920
spouse: Frederick Steele
child: Joseph Alfred Steele
Caroline Thompson Steele
Jamaica Births and Baptisms, 1752-1920
spouse: Frederic Steele
child: Steele
Virginia Lou Steele Thompson
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Stanley Howard Thompson
child: Craig Lee Thompson
Janet Thomsone Or Steel
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 16 May 1708 Saint Cuthberts,?Edinburgh,?Midlothian,?Scotland
spouse: James Mackie
Susan R. Thompson Steel
Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915
birth: 1829
marriage: 24 Feb 1877 Malden,? Massachusetts
parents: Samuel,? Rebecca
spouse: John L. Slocomb
Nancy Thompson Steel
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Thompson
child: Robert Thompson
Martha Thompson Steel
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: William John Thompson
child: Mary Thompson
Nancy Thompson Steel
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Thompson
child: Robert Thompson
Annie Thomson Steel
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: John Steel
child: Rebecca Thomson Steel
Christina Thomson Steel
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: Hugh Steel
child: James Steel
Margaret Thomson Steele
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: John Steele
child: Alexander Steele
Ethel Thomson Steele
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: James Steele
child: Helen Jenkins Steele
Jeanie Thomson Steel
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: John Steel
child: John Steel
Athelia Thompson Steel
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Mathew Steel
child: Mary Jane Steel
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AnnCardiff
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22 Mar 2012 00:02 |
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John Thompson Steele
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1867 Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
census: 1881 Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
parents: James Steele,? Jane Steele
name: John Thompson Steele
age: 14
gender: Male
birth year: 1867
birthplace: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Assist Overseers Clerk
address: 5 Richmond Terrace
census place: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342251
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5185 / 13
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AnnCardiff
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22 Mar 2012 00:03 |
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Catherine Thompson Steele
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Workington,? Cumberland
census: 1891 England
name: Catherine Thompson Steele
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Female
age: 7
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Workington, Cumberland
record type: Household
registration district: Cockermouth
sub-district: Workington
ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
civil parish: Workington
county: Cumberland
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22 Mar 2012 00:04 |
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Eleanor Thompson Steele
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Workington,? Cumberland
census: 1911 Workington,? Workington,? Cumberland,? England
name: Eleanor Thompson Steele
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Female
age: 28
birthplace: Workington, Cumberland
record type: Household
registration district: Cockermouth
sub-district: Workington
parish: Workington
county: Cumberland
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22 Mar 2012 00:04 |
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Thompson Steele
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 12 Apr 1886 St. John,? Workington,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Workington,? Cumberland,? England
parents: Matthias Steele,? Ann Jane Steele
name: Thompson Steele
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Apr 1886
baptism/christening place: St. John, Workington, Cumberland, England
father's name: Matthias Steele
mother's name: Ann Jane Steele
indexing project (batch) number: I03762-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1472070
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22 Mar 2012 00:05 |
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Janet Thompson Steele
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 17 Oct 1878 St. James,? Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
parents: David Steele,? Mary
name: Janet Thompson Steele
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 17 Oct 1878
baptism/christening place: St. James, Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
father's name: David Steele
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: I03548-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 90681
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