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Thanks for looking K . It was a long shot that we might find info on Army records

I can't see a service record for Herbert Clifford on Ancestry. Could be his death?

Name: Herbert Clifford
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Nuneaton
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 853

just for info 1881 is this the same Stephen family

RG number: RG11
Piece: 2808
Folio: 59
Page: 23
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Willenhall
Parish: Willenhall
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Court 3 Rose Hill, Willenhall
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MANTEL, Stephen Head Married M 34 1847 Wagoner
Fluo?ance, Wales
MANTEL, Mary Ann Wife Married F 25 1856 Seamstress
Bilston, Staffordshire
MANTEL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Willenhall, Staffordshire
MANTEL, Edward Son Single M 2 1879
Willenhall, Staffordshire
MANTEL, Mary Daughter Single F 0 1881
Willenhall, Staffordshire

could this be Mary's

Name: CLIFFORD, Mary
Registration district: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1962
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 81
Volume no: 9C
Page no: 705

Have not got sub. for Ancestry but has anyone looked for Herbert in ww1 records? IF he is there then family details may be on there.
do you have death info for them?

Hi jansmith

Thank you....I have just now been following the same track as you and yes, I believe Agnes is the daughter of Mary, Herbert's sister.

K :-)

Misty x

1881 for info Herbert and Mary Clifford ?
G number: RG11
Piece: 2818
Folio: 49
Page: 6
Reg. District: Walsall
Sub District: Darlaston
Parish: Darlaston
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Court New Road, Darlaston
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CLIFFORD, James Head Married M 29 1852 House Spouting
Hayes Hill, Staffordshire
CLIFFORD, Fanny Wife Married F 27 1854
Darlaston, Staffordshire
CLIFFORD, Mary Daughter Single F 8 1873
Darlaston, Staffordshire
CLIFFORD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 5 1876
Darlaston, Staffordshire
CLIFFORD, Herbert Son Single M 2 1879
Darlaston, Staffordshire

Agnes looks like the daughter of Arthur/Mary Price
1911

Reg. District: Chorlton
Sub District: Didsbury
Parish: South Manchester
Enum. District: 13
Address: 33 S Clements Road Chorlton C Hardy Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
PRICE, Arthur Head Married
14 years M 34 1877 Joiner Stafford Sh Patshull
PRICE, Mary Elizabeth Wife Married F 37 1874 Stafford Sh Darlaston
PRICE, Agnes Daughter Single F 13 1898 Chorlton cum Hardy
PRICE, Mable Daughter Single F 12 1899 Chorlton cum Hardy
PRICE, William Son Single M 4 1907 Chorlton cum Hardy

so looks like a Clifford connection marriage
Name: PRICE, Arthur
Registration district: Altrincham
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 217
MarriageFinder: Arthur Price married one of the following people:

ALDCROFT, Ann
CLIFFORD, Mary*******
BROWN, George

Hi Misty

Don't worry and glad it's of use

Kx

Hello K

Huge apologies for the very long (unavoidable) delay in my reply, I am hoping to restart my search over the next week or so....

Thank you for all the Mantle info from the 1911 census, I'm sure they must be Mary's family, I shall follow it up asap....

Thank you again K

Misty x

Eliza married in 1908

1911

KNOWLES, Joseph Head Married
2 years M 22 1889 Curry Comb Maker Staff Willenhall VIEW
KNOWLES, Eliza Wife Married
2 years F 22 1889 Dressmaker Staff Willenhall VIEW
KNOWLES, Voyley (Violet) Daughter F 1 1910 Staff Willenhall VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17106 Reference:
RG14PN17106 RG78PN1053 RD369 SD6 ED24 SN203

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Willenhall Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Willenhall

Address:
8 Lower Hall St Willenhall County:
Staffordshire

The other son John Thomas in 1911

BILLS, Jesse Head M 38 1873 Brass Cabinet Locksmith Wolverhampton VIEW
BILLS, Alice Maude Wife Married
8 years F 34 1877 Wolverhampton VIEW
BILLS, Frank Son M 7 1904 Wolverhampton VIEW
BILLS, Denis Son M 4 1907 Bradmore Staff VIEW
MANTLE, Thomas Boarder Single M 27 1884 Brass Cabinet Locksmith Tettenhall Staff VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17029 Reference:
RG14PN17029 RG78PN1051 RD369 SD4 ED20 SN231

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Wolverhampton Western Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Wolverhampton

Address:
34 Oak Street Wolverhampton County:
Staffordshire

1911 - Son Stephen

MANTLE, Stephen Single ? 25 1886 Soldier Infantry Willenhall Staffs VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16889 Reference:
RG14PN16889 RD367 SD1 ED32 SN9999

Registration District:
Lichfield Sub District:
Lichfield Enumeration District:
32 Parish:
Whittington

Address:
Whittington Lichfield County:
Staffordshire

This looks like the same family in 1911

MANTLE, Stephen Head Married M 60 1851 Night Soil Carter Wales
MANTLE, Mary Ann Wife Married
36 years F 55 1856 Bilston Stafford
MANTLE, Walter Son Single M 20 1891 Iron Caster Willenhall Stafford
MANTLE, Clara Daughter F 12 1899 School Willenhall Stafford
TUDOR, Thomas Boarder Single M 25 1886 Railway Labourer Stafford
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17106 Reference:
RG14PN17106 RG78PN1053 RD369 SD6 ED24 SN209

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Willenhall Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Willenhall

Address:
14 Lower Hall St Willenhall County:
Staffordshire

This is the same family K gave in 1891, who, I think could be my Mary Mantle's family..

Please can anyone find them in 1911?

Mary is in Manchester in 1901, married to Herbert.

Mary and Herbert had 5 children...2 being Stephen 1910 and Clara 1913 which tie in (only by name) to the Mantle family below...

1901 England
Name: Stephen Mantle
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marian Mantle ( Mary Ann not Marian )
Gender: Male
Where born: North Wales
Civil parish: Willenhall
Ecclesiastical parish: Willenhall St Giles
Town: Willenhall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Willenhall
Name Age
Stephen Mantle 54
Marian Mantle 45
Stephen Mantle 18
John T Mantle 16
Eliza Mantle 12
Walter Mantle 10
Cloyce Mantle 2 ( Clara not Cloyce )

Still no marriage for Mary and Herbert

Misty x

I still cannot find the marriage for Herbert and Mary..

Please can anyone tell me if there is any reason (other than non marriage) why it would not show on records?

Kath...have followed the Mary you found....she married another chap, had contact with her family on here...not my lady but thank you for info...

Misty x

Thank you Kay...

I didnt have that one at all...I think your right about the tie in with the child (sorry I didnt see your post saying that earlier) never the less, still reluctant to go without proof

Misty x

Have just found another Mary Mantle birth in Wolverhampton:-

Name: MANTLE, Mary
Registration district: Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1881
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6B
Page no:606

This one is a year after the other Wolverhampton birth.

Kath. x

This is the census I posted re Mary born in Willenhall in 1891 with father Stephen. I can't see it on FMP either. I still like the tie in of Mary and Herberts son in 1911 with the father here.

Kayx

Name: Mary Mantle
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Stephen Mantle
Mother's Name: Mary A Mantle
Gender: Female
Where born: Willenhall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Willenhall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: Willenhall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Willenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2237
Folio: 49
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Mantle 43
Mary A Mantle 34
Elizabeth Mantle 15
Edward Mantle 12
Mary Mantle 10
Stephen Mantle 8
John T Mantle 6
Eliza Mantle 2
Walter Mantle 1/12
Thomas Peart 69

Edit I think this is the FMP version

MANDE, Stephen Head Married M 43 1848 Night Soil Labourer
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, Mary A Wife Married F 34 1857
Bilston
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1876 Lock Maker
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, Edward Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, Mary Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, Stephen Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, John T Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, Eliza Daughter F 2 1889
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
MANDE, Walter Son M 0 (1M) 1891
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
PEART, Thomas Lodger Widower M 69 1822 Brush Maker
Kirmington
Lincolnshire VIEW
Piece:
2237 Folio:
49 Page:
12 Registration District:
Wolverhampton

Civil Parish:
Willenhall Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, Bow Street, Willenhall County:
Staffordshire

I deleted my last post to Kath....it was all RUBBISH...sorry


Misty x