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Marriages Sep 1840 (>99%)
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STEARN Thomas Ipswich 12 537
WILDING Maria Ipswich 12 537

Chris :)

Chris

Eliza had been married 27 years when he died in 1893


xxx

Just had a quick dinner and came back to more GOOD stuffs



THANKYOU


am assuming a mistype in the registry ..... my own sister whose birth cert shows Marie .............is listed as Maria


and my brothers 2 middle names are transposed ...... I know I will need certs ......................again


Thank you xxx

Lol Jude, I was just about to read back and check...image says she has been Married 27 years though!!, 7 children born, 5 living, 2 died.

Chris :)

Well found Chris - beats my effort! :-)

1911

PALMER, Walter Edmund Head Single M 34 1877 Compositor Croydon Surrey
PALMER, Eliza Ann Mother Widow F 65 1846 Lambeth Surrey
STERNE, Elizabeth Aunt Visitor Single F 67 1844 Retired Matron Hospital Ipswich Suffolk
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2097 Reference:
RG14PN2097 RG78PN72 RD25 SD4 ED48 SN303
Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Brixton Enumeration District:
48 Parish:
Lambeth
Address:
64 Shakespeare Road Herne Hill S E County:
London

Chris :)

The marriage was on Familysearch. Vera yes I had found that Arthur T in a few censuses and also on family search with different parents. I just wonder why, whn he married, he is shown as Thomas Arthur...

1861 (Eliza nearby)

GOULD, Elizabeth Head Widow F 74 1787 Needlewoman
Newington
Surrey
STERNE, Eliza Ann Niece Unmarried F 15 1846 Servant
Newington
Surrey
GREGORY, Elizabeth Niece Married F 31 1830 Needlewoman
Newington
Surrey
GREGORY, Elizabeth Grandniece Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar
Newington
Surrey
Piece:
342 Folio:
16 Page:
38 Registration District:
Newington
Civil Parish:
St Mary Newington Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
6a, Trafalgar Street, St Mary Newington, Lambeth County:
London, Surrey

1851

STORNE, Thomas Head Married M 32 1819 Porter
Lavenham
Suffolk
STORNE, Maria Wife Married F 31 1820
Ipswich
Suffolk
STORNE, Susannah Daughter F 9 1842
Ipswich
Suffolk
STORNE, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1844
Lambeth
Surrey
STORNE, Eliza Daughter F 5 1846
Lambeth
Surrey
STORNE, Edmund Son M 3 1848
Lambeth
Surrey
STORNE, Hannah Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851
Lambeth
Surrey
STORNE, John Brother Unmarried M 29 1822 Dealer
Lavenham
Suffolk
STORNE, Martin Brother Married M 28 1823 Dealer
Lavenham
Suffolk
STORNE, Mahala Wife Married F 29 1822
Lavenham
Suffolk
STORNE, Mary Ann Daughter F 8 1843
Lavenham
Suffolk
EAST, George Nephew Unmarried M 17 1834 Bootmaker
Lavenham
Suffolk
TAYLOR, John Head Married M 76 1775
Market Dilln
Salop
TAYLOR, Hannah Head Married F 78 1773
Market Dilln
Salop
Piece:
1573 Folio:
70 Page:
28 Registration District:
Lambeth
Civil Parish:
St Mary Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
1, Regency Square, St Mary Lambeth, Lambeth County:
Surrey


1871 (witness, Susannah, Sister)

SIMPSON, Thomas Head M 31 1840 Yorkshire (Upholsterer)
SIMPSON, Susannah Wife F 29 1842 Suffolk Ipswich (School Mistress)
SIMPSON, Margaret Daughter F 2 1869 Yorkshire
SIMPSON, George Herbert Son M 0 1871 Yorkshire
Piece:
4318 Folio:
89 Page:
32 Registration District:
Keighley
Civil Parish:
Keighley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Queen Street, Keighley County:
Yorkshire


Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
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Simpson Thomas Keighley 9a 235
Sterne Susannah Keighley 9a 235


(no advance on Arthur's Birth)

Chris :)

Deaths ?...

Name: PALMER, Arthur
Registration district: [?] Surrey Mid Eastern
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1942
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:77
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 591

Name: PALMER, Betsy M
Registration district: [?] Croydon
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1932
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:66
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 693

Well we got the correct marriage ............for sure

Original shows Sterne

1861 census transcription details for: 5a, Trafalgar Street, St Mary Newington, Lambeth
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 342 Folio: 17 Page: 39

Reg. District: Newington Sub District: 2 St Peter Walworth
Parish: St Mary Newington Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: St Peter Walworth City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: 5a, Trafalgar Street, St Mary Newington, Lambeth
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
STEENE, Thomas Head Married M 45 1816 Shopman To Leather Cutter
Lavenham
Suffolk
STEENE, Maria Wife Married F 42 1819
Lavenham
Suffolk
STEENE, Edward M Son Unmarried M 13 1848 Tape Measure Makers
Lambeth
Surrey
STEENE, Lawrence H Son Unmarried M 2 1859
Walworth
Surrey
PALMER, Joseph Boarder Unmarried M 20 1841 Porter To Furniture Makers
Morpeth
Suffolk <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Vera


OOOOOOOH NOOOOOOO




is it back to the drawing board ¿

Hey Jude

THANK YOU XXX


where did you see that Arthur called his father Joseph

Maybe this one is the one you thought was your Arthur T. Father a butcher. Baptised with sister Ada who was born 1864.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Arthur Thomas Palmer Name: Arthur Thomas Palmer
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1866
Baptism Date: 20 May 1866
Father's Name: Alfred Palmer
Mother's Name: Hannah Ann Palmer
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Vera

annoyingly he seems to have given his father as JOSEPH when marrying!

Good Luck!

ooo ooh Hey Jude


Just seen the 1901 census


Brilliant

Thank You

Hey Jude

Yes I tend to agree ------ to both postings


I reckon

Births Jun 1866
Palmer Arthur T Rotherhithe 1d 622 ........is my Boy


will really need a cert .......unless he is he is LMA -----

giving a father Josiah


Thank you again xxxx

So this is Arthur's marriage...


Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
CLARK Betsy Maria Croydon 2a 483
CLARKE Betsy Maria Croydon 2a 483
HASTINGS John Thomas Croydon 2a 483
Horley Ruth Croydon 2a 483
Palmer Thomas Arthur Croydon 2a 483

And I found him in 1911

BUT Rotherhithe does not cover Walworth...but it's only 3.4 miles away :-)

Best guess at 1911 for you


Name: Eliza Palmer
Age in 1911: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 48 Esmeralda Rd, Bermondsey S E
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 1891
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Palmer 65
Anne Aylott 64

Chris ....................Once again you found a little gem ................


When I am in the deep doo dah .............. A telephone box arrives xxxxxxxxxxxxx


Have also now to admit to my senior moment ............... It had not registered

Joseph / Josiah ......( Thanks Jude ) ......... think I have been searching all morning for

Joseph.......or it could have bee Josiah ...either way NADA


My Thanks to both xxx
Yhankj