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i dont know for sure but maybe the difference in registration number has something to do with William adopting Arthur and Ethel and the name change. Maybe they had to be registered as her married name back....raises more questions than answers ... some more homework for me to do. thanks again.

thankyou all for the great info.

by the NAA site Arthur was still living in NSW in 1957

there are NO Arthur MAWKES deaths...

the only Arthur ALDEN death was in 1970

39789/1970 ALDEN ARTHUR WILLIAM MATILDA BURWOOD

mother's name could just be a mistake?

Apologies
I mis-read details on William Mawkes 1890-1891

I dont really know exactly how Australian births are recorded but I did notice the 1891 birth info :
Arthur Mawkes has a REGISTRATION NO 35882
Arthur Alden,has a VOLUME NO D189101235

Does anyone know what the difference is?

I too think this is the same child
I will also be out of action for a day or two... ...work!

Anne

I am on Nana duty today, so will not have much time

but if no one can add to this I will try and find his death or more information

ASAP..cheers!

I still think this is the same ARTHUR....

Birth of Arthur Mawkes in 1891 parents: John and Mary J
Birth of Arthur Alden in 1891parents: William and Mary j

birth....

1288/1890 MAWKES WILLIAM A JOHN MARY JANE SYDNEY


death...

14958/1891 MAWKES WILLIAM A JOHN MARY J WALLSEND

I also wondered if Mary J Mawkes could be the daughter of John Mawkes with Mary Stokes who was born in 1878.
Married William Alden in 1898 at the age of 20yrs?
This doesn't really fit either....

Her children are listed on all the obits.
She was the mother of Ethel ( Duval) Elizabeth (Kiloh) May ( Hogan) and Arthur.
According to the Ryerson index... Ethel Duval was 67 yrs old at the time of her death. This equals a year of birth as 1888/9.
Ethel Duval ms Alden was only 10yrs younger than Mary J Mawkes (jnr)
Elizabeth Kiloh ms Alden was about 9yrs younger than Mary J Mawkes (jnr)
This leads me back to your conclusion that all of them were sisters.
All daughters of John Mawkes and Mary J Stokes
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The 1922 death index for Mary J Alden states he father was called Thomas
It looks about right, because Mary J Stokes and John Mawkes also had a child called Thomas

But there is also another wee problem to sort out
Birth of William Mawkes in 1891 parents: John and Mary J
Birth of Arthur Mawkes in 1891 parents: John and Mary J
Birth of Arthur Alden in 1891parents: William and Mary j

35882/1891 MAWKES ARTHUR JOHN MARY J WALLSEND

189101235/1891 ALDEN ARTHUR WILLIAM MARY J

same child registered twice? Alden numbers are unsual

death notice of William Alden

Ever loving wife and son Arthur ( on active service)

Arthur's army...

Arthur ALDEN

Regimental number 4973

Cupcakes
I am coming round to your way of thinking.
I now think Mary J Stokes and Mary J Mawkes are the same person.

All all her daughters ( mentioned on obits) were born within her first marriage, ( birth name Mawkes) but she may have separated from John Mawkes circa 1890 and living with William Alden.
Son Arthur born in 1891 is probably the son of William Alden, but Mary J was not free to marry until after the death of John Mawkes in 1897

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Mary J Stokes

Name: Mary J Stokes
Spouse Name: John Mawkes
Marriage Date: 1876
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Lambton, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1876
Registration number: 3693

John Mawkes dies in 1897.... and

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Mary J Mawkes

Name: Mary J Mawkes
Spouse Name: William Alden
Marriage Date: 1898
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1898
Registration number: 6786

Hi Cupcake,
I am still not sure that Ethel's mother Mary Jane was married twice.
I think we have 2 different families who are being confused

Mary Jane Stokes married John Mawkes in 1876.
John Mawkes died in 1897. He was aged 51 and the coroners report states that he was born in Derbyshire, England.
If Mary Jane Stokes was this widow, and the same person who married William Alden in 1898,.
I cannot account for the birth of Arthur Alden in 1891 born to William Alden and Mary J. This birth was 7yrs before the death of John Mawes

Most of the children born to the Mawkes/ Stokes marriage were born in Lambton or Wallsend, NSW.
William Alden and Mary J lived in Mascot, NSW.
Distance between these two places is around 100miles

Children Arthur and Ethel, and Elizabeth all married as Alden.
Have yet to find marriage between May/Mary Alden and Jack Hogan, to determine her last name
Is 1898 the correct year for the William Alden/Mary J marriage?
Something is not quite right ......

Edit
From Ryerson index:
Ethel Duval died at Mascot on 15 Aug 1956.
She was 67yrs old = year of birth 1898/9

Elizabeth Kiloh died Jun 1951 and was 67yrs old = birth of 1887

Anne

COLLIERY FATALITY.The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)

Wednesday 20 October 1897 p 7 Article...

COLLIERY FATALITY. A miner named John Mawkes, who was severely injured by an explosion of blasting powder at the wallsend Colliery a few days ago, died in the Wallsend send Mining District Hospital list evening, The deceased was badly burnt about the face, and lost the use of both of his eyes ... 79 words

TROVE...

KILOH: Elizabeth
Death notice: 07JUN1951
Death: 64
late of Rosebery
Sydney Morning Herald: 09JUN1951

Ryerson Index...

Burial...


Kiloh, Elizabeth
A5B - Anglican FM 5B - Grave 419
09-06-1951: 64

ALSO....

Kiloh, Alfred
A5B - Anglican FM 5B - Grave 419
17-12-1955: 72

http://www.esmp.net.au

Burial...

ALDEN WILLIAM: 08-09-1917

Cemetery: Anglican & General Cemetery Trusts
Area: AN
Section: 05
Row: N/A
Block/Plot: N/A
Grave No.: 0004713
Cemetery Address: Hawthorne Ave, Rookwood
Cemetery Phone: 9746 2177
Cemetery Fax: 9764 2689
Cemetery Email: [email protected]
Cemetery URL: http://www.rookwoodcemetery.com.au/

ALSO....

ALDEN MARY: 29-03-1922

Marriage....

4441/1912 KILOH ALFRED ALDEN ELIZABETH SYDNEY
1134/1914 KILOH ALFRED ALDEN ELIZABETH REDFERN

Death...

11578/1951 KILOH ELIZABETH WILLIAM MARY JANE REDFERN

Death announcement for Isadore George Hastings Duval
SMH 21 May 1946
DUVAL
On 20 May 1946 at his residence, 126 King Street, Mascot.
Isadore George Hastings, beloved husband of Mrs Ethel Duval,and loved father of, William Ethel ( Mrs Smith) Veronica ( Mrs Murphy) Phyllis ( Mrs Prentice), Jean ( Mrs Oakes) and loving grandfather of William, Fay, Ray, Ronnie, Pat and Coral. Resquiescat in pace .

As per the info on the death of William Alden in 1917, his grandchild named Ronnie Duval was female... named Veronica


Edit.
Ethel place an In Memoriam for her late husband in the SHM of 19 May 1951

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about William Alden
Name: William Alden
Death Date: 1917
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Registration Year: 1917
Registration Place: Redfern, New South Wales
Registration number: 9923


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Mary J Alden
Name: Mary J Alden
Death Date: 1922
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Registration Year: 1922
Registration Place: Redfern, New South Wales
Registration number: 648

Arthur ALDEN

Regimental number 4973
Religion Church of England
Occupation Coal lumper
Address Ney Street, Mascot, Sydney, New South Wales
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 24
Next of kin Mother, Mrs M J Alden, Ney Street, Mascot, Sydney, New South Wales
Enlistment date 20 January 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 20th Battalion, 13th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/37/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A31 Ajana on 5 July 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 33rd Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 4 July 1919

deaths of some children....

14958/1891 MAWKES WILLIAM A JOHN MARY J WALLSEND

646/1885 MAWKES HARRIET JOHN MARY J SYDNEY

26338/1961 MAWKES THOMAS JOHN MARY BANKSTOWN