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Arthur could not have been his father as he was only 12 when Forrest was born. So my gut feeling is she took his name and gave it to her son to legitimise him. I have been looking for probate for Arthur because as an insurance clerk or general dealer I feel sure there would have been a will and cannot find one I would be happy to commit to. Oh what a spiders web. Thanks everyone

I have checked and none of the sites I use have the infirmity column uncovered. She is listed as being in the same workhouse in 1901 and 1911 and as dying there in 1916, so I favour the 'insanity' theory. I still can't find any actual marriage between her and Arthur Hampson, so wonder if her family had her committed (black sheep theory and not uncommon).

Thank you K

On Find My Past nothing is listed in the infirmity column and she is listed as Felicity Hampsons.

Elaine


you do have to be careful making assumptions when you have people in the Workhouse


Often the only place where a poor person could go to get medical treatment was to the Workhouse.

All workhouses had an "infirmary" section to take care of sick or dying inmates ................. and people from the surrounding area could always go there for treatment.


Many babies are noted as born in the workhouse, when in fact they were born in the Infirmary of the workhouse 'cos mom needed more medical intervention than the local midwife could provide. Same applies to old men or women dying in the workhouse.

If the family could not afford a doctor, they went to the workhouse infirmary where treatment was free.


Also, some people were not in the workhouse because of poverty, but because they had been put in there by members of their family .......... this was of course more often done by male members of a family (father, husband, son) to a woman. Getting someone to declare her insane was an easy way to get her out of the house and remove the need for her to be looked after at home.

Many women who had bad times at menopause ..... think how some of us can't control our moods ............... were often put in care.


And once put in the workhouse, it was very difficult to get out.


Ancestry has still not uncovered the Infirmity column on the 1911 Census ..... that might give more information on what was Felicity's condition.





sylvia

Thank you all so much :)

My gosh, thank you all so much. It does look as though Arthur gave Forrest his name. And poor Felicity to end up in the workhouse by the looks of it!

Thank you once again for all your help, it has been great to have other eyes come up with some other roads to follow.

Elaine

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about James Hampson
Name: James Hampson
Spouse Name: Agnes Anne Macpherson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Sep 1831
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Register

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John David Charles Hampson
Name: John David Charles Hampson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1837
Baptism Date: 5 May 1837
Father's Name: James Hampson, surgeon dentist
Mother's Name: Agnes Ann Hampson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur Wilson Reginald Hampson
Name: Arthur Wilson Reginald Hampson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1846
Baptism Date: 29 Jun 1846
Father's Name: James Hampson, surgeon dentist of 7 Dorset Square
Mother's Name: Agnes Anne Hampson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Green Felicity Ansell St Geo Han Sq 1a 544
Sadler Henry Robert St Geo Han Sq 1a 544
SHARP Mary Jane St Geo Han Sq 1a 544
Thompson James St. Geo. Han. Sq. 1a 544

Also found this?

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Felicity Ansell Green
Name: Felicity Ansell Green
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1840
Christening Date: 19 Apr 1840
Christening Place: Suffolk, England
Father's Name: Robert Green
Mother's Name: Felicity

1871 with more detail. Does read Arthur W A on the form.

HAMPSON, Arthur W A Head M 24 1847 marine insurance clerk, Marylebone Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Felicity A Lodger F 30 1841 Woodbridge Suffolk VIEW
GREEN, Forrest B Lodger M 14 1857 Woodbridge Suffolk VIEW

Piece: 213

Folio: 71

Page: 31

Registration District: Pancras

Civil Parish: St Pancras

Municipal Borough:

Address: Enston Rd, St Pancras, London

County: London, Middlesex


1861

HAMPSON, John D Head Married M 24 1837 Dental Surgeon...
St Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
HAMPSON, Agnes A Mother Widow F 53 1808
Somersetshire, (should be Lanarkshire) Scotland VIEW
HAMPSON, Harry S Brother Unmarried M 18 1843 Mechanical Dentist
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
HAMPSON, Arthur W Brother Unmarried M 15 1846 Clerk Insurance Office
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
HAMPSON, James Wm Brother M 12 1849 Scholar
Marylebone, Middlesex VIEW
GREENWAY, Maria Visitor F 56 1805
..., Devon VIEW
WARRENER, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 25 1836 Cook
Tukes, Sussex VIEW
SOCK, Lawria M Servant Unmarried F 16 1845 Housemaid
Paddington, Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 82

Folio: 100

Page: 3

Registration District: Marylebone

Civil Parish: Marylebone

Municipal Borough:

Address: 7, Dorset Square, Marylebone

County: London

That solves the whole thing doesn't it.
Nice one Christina.
Jan

1901 England Census

Name: Felicite Hampson
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Romford
Town: Romford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England


Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: Romford Union Workhouse and Infirmary

Page Number: 3

I wonder if this might be Felicity?

1911 England Census

Name: Felicity Hampson
Age in 1911: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woodbridge, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Romford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 9848

Here he is in 1871....


1871 England Census
about Fonest B Green Name: Fonest B Green
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Woodbridge, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Church
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Gray
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 224
Piece: 213
Folio: 71
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur W A Hampson 24 ...Head...Marine Insurance Clerk....Marylebone, Middlesex
Telicity A Green 30...Lodger....Woodbridge, Suffolk
Fonest B Green 42 ....Messenger

His age is 12 on the image.

Looking at 1861, Felicity is the most obvious choice for his mother, though there are 2 other daughters on 1851.
Horace and Forrest sound pretty similar don't they? Surely must be him nice find Christine!.
But I would get the birth cert.
Jan

His father was Arthur William Reginald Hampson, general dealer (deceased) and his wife was Minnie Martin Her father was William Martin.labourer (deceased)
Nov 26 1892 was when they married.

From http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fleming/transcripts/chathamstjohndevine1882_1897.pdf


He has no 343 against his name and if you click on the left hand side of the page, you can view his marriage certificate.

"Cat amongst the pigeons time"

name: Horace Barclay Green
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 28 Nov 1858
baptism/christening place: SAINT MARY,WOODBRIDGE,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
mother's name: Felicity Green
indexing project (batch) number: C06325-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 919636, 919637

Could he be Forrest? Might Felicity be the daughter of Robert & Felicity? Could Barclay be his father's name?

Comments on a postcard please!

Thanks for your help, I too am looking for a Hampson/Green Marriage but cannot seem to find anything. I am waiting for his marriage certificate to arrive from the GRO but feel that he may be illegitimate which would still not help me.
My cousin has his enlistment papers for the navy but no mention of family on those.

I will order the birth certificate for Forest Berkley Green as this does seem likely and see if that sheds any light.

Thank you once again
Elaine