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The only Fisher in the village is

1851 census
y Address: Houghton House, Shevington
DECONPORT, John Head Married M 43 1808 Jailor
Mawdesley, Lancashire VIEW
DECONPORT, Margaret Wife Married F 48 1803
Anderton, Lancashire VIEW
DECONPORT, Thomas Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Tailor
Shevington, Lancashire
DECONPORT, John Son Unmarried M 11 1840 Scholar
Shevington, Lancashire
DECONPORT, Henry Son Unmarried M 9 1842 Scholar
Shevington, Lancashire
DECONPORT, Ellen Grand Daughter Unmarried F 2 1849
Shevington, Lancashire
FISHER, Henry Lodger Widower M 74 1777 Tailor
Rufford, Lancashire


may be worth tracking

1851 ASHEROFT, Ann Address: Shevington Nook, Shevington
ASHEROFT, Ann Head Widow F 30 1821 Labourer
Standish, Lancashire VIEW
ASHEROFT, William Son Unmarried M 9 1842 Drawer
Shevington, Lancashire

HI mgnv, Thanks for looking. As I say, I have all his wife's side. It is William Platt (Mother probably Ann - per Census' -, father given as John Fisher at his marriage) that I am looking for. As you have found , the Wm Platts registered (and on baptism records) are not the one I am looking for. Anyway, thanks again. Anne

1851 Address: Hallet Hole, Shevington
ASHEROFT, John Head Married M 37 1814 Collier
Pendleton, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, Ellen Wife Married F 38 1813
Upholland, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, William Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Farmer
Orrell, Lancashire VIEW
ASHEROFT, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 9 1842
Orrell, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, Margaret Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844
Standish, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, James Son Unmarried M 4 1847
Standish, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 2 1849
Standish, Lancashire
WHITE, Samuel Lodger Unmarried M 27 1824 Labourer
N K

I think Ellen may be a Platt. I think I saw the marriage last night. I am off to work now but I am sure someone will follow this through.

Small village communities often had multiple marriages within the same families.

clearly Platt on original.

1851 Address: Hallet Hole, Shevington
RATT, Ann Head Widow F 39 1812 Labourer
Shevington, Lancashire
RATT, Jane Lodger F 25 1826 Labourer
Shevington, Lancashire
DARBYSHIRE, Ellen Lodger F 31 1820 Dress Maker
Shevington, Lancashire
RATT, Ann Lodger F 4 1847
Shevington, Lancashire
RATT, William Lodger M 1 1850
Shevington, Lancashire
RATT, William Lodger Unmarried M 13 1838 Drawer
Shevington, Lancashire

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Here are the pre-1840 Wm Platt births of Wigan RD. Neither look like our guy.
Shevington is in Standish parish, and I would expect a birth rego'ed in Standish subdistrict for our guy.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1839
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PLATT William Wigan Wigan & Leigh WHITTLE WIG/4/322

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PLATT William Aspull Wigan & Leigh TURNER ASPL/2/257

I think Wm's mum was Ann. I don't have a sub, so I can't check the censuses prperly, but it looks like Wm was living next door to Eliz in 1851, and his sis was a servant in James's h/h in 1861.


Marriage: 1 Jan 1849 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
James Ashcroft - (X), 32 Collier Widower of Orrell
Ann Turner - (X), 26 Widow of Orrell
Groom's Father: William Ashcroft, Collier
Bride's Father: John Aspinal, Collier
Witness: Henry Ashcroft, (X); Elizabeth Jeffs, (X)
Married by Banns by: Henry J.Gunning Rector
Register: Marriages 1848 - 1849, Page 131, Entry 262
Source: LDS Film 1885695


Maybe some with a sub can look these censuses up - they're Platt/Ashcroft on Ancestry, but on FMP:
1851
HO107 /2198 74 3 RATT, Ann Wigan VIEW VIEW
HO107 /2198 75 4 ASHEROFT, James Wigan VIEW VIEW
1861
RG09/2767 99 25 ASHCROFT, James Wigan VIEW VIEW
RG09/2767 99 26 PLATT, William Wigan VIEW VIEW

LK has posted James 1851 - Wm is in the immediately preceeding h/h

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Hi Mike , Yes I'm pretty sure that's him , but obviously can't be certain. I have his marriage Cert (hence can confirm his father is /was John Fisher). Its his ancestors that I'm trying to trace. I have traced his wife's but can't find anything on William prior to 1841. Thanks Anne

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The informant on the death cert would be a clue to it being the right William.
If it's not him you could be working on the wrong set of numbers

Hello Anne,

It may be worth putting the name Platt and area Shevington into the Search Trees box above. There are quite a few members who have Platts from that area in their trees.

If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner to see if they can help. Regards. Cx

If Ann was an unmarried mother then john Fisher could be the named father.

This is another possible child for her

Baptisms: 28 Dec 1834 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
John Platt - 1st son of Ann Platt
Abode: Shevington
Occupation: Servant
Baptised by: Thomas Marsden, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 11, Entry 1677
Source: LDS Film 1526140

HI MarieCeleste , I'm begining to think thats the case to be honest. The only other possibility I can come up with is that he was registered ina different area (which was often the case in those days - especially if he was illegitimate). I'm just desperately hoping that someone out there has traced him ! Thanks again. Anne

Hello again Anne - because there isn't a birth record that matches the dates you are so sure of then perhaps his birth just wasn't registered. It wasn't compulsory until the early 1870s.

Hello again LadyKira, Thanks again for the input. I've got all the ancestry on Elizabeth dixon (Ascroft). Its The William Platt side that I am tring to trace (from his birth backwards). I have all his descendants , but can't find his birth or the link between him and John fisher. Thanks again.

I have posted exactly the information you gave including the date. I also posted a marriage that took place in 1839 that has similar names so may be a family member.

possible for James

1851 Address: Hallet Hole, Shevington
ASHEROFT, James Head Married M 33 1818 Collier
Upholland, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, Ann Wife Married F 29 1822
Orrell, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 9 1842
Wigan, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, John Son Unmarried M 5 1846
Shevington, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, Soloman Son Unmarried M 2 1849
Shevington, Lancashire
ASHEROFT, George Lodger Unmarried M 18 1833 Tailor
Shevington, Lancashire

Hi Lady Kira, No, that's the wrong marriage. They were married 13 June 1859 In Standish (Wigan) .Wm Platt and Elizabeth Dixon. Groom's father John Fisher , Brides Father John Ascroft. I have seen that marriage and wondered if there had been some 'mix up' , but I have traced the bride's ancestry so I think the details recorded on their marriage Cert were correct. Cheers Anne

I am not sure how this works yet but I am struck by this marriage.

Marriage: 1 Jul 1839 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Fisher - Full Age Stone Mason Widower of Vauxhall St
Margaret Ascroft - Full Age Widow of Bootle Parish of Walton on the Hill
Groom's Father: Richard Fisher, Farmer
Bride's Father: John Cain, Butcher
Witness: Thomas Dighton; Elizabeth Dighton, (X)
Married by Banns by: Tho MacGill Curate
Register: Marriages 1839, Page 150, Entry 299
Source: LDS Film 93290

Hi , yes I know dates and ages can be notoriously wrong , but in this case they actually 'add-up'. Also , there are only 2 possibles I can find in the area, I born Wigan 1839. - parents Robert and Mary- (died 1839) and one in Chorley ( parents Thomas and Catherine). I have got the dates from the age at marriage and age at death (which as I say tie in with each other). Thanks a lot Anne

I am guessing this is your source of information.

Marriage: 13 Jun 1859 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
William Platt - (X), 20 Collier Bachelor of Shevington
Elizabeth Dixon - (X), 17 Spinster of Shevington
Groom's Father: John Fisher, Stonemason
Bride's Father: James Ascroft, Collier
Witness: William Gibson; Henry Smith
Married by Banns by: R. H. Whitworth Curate
Notes: (Whit Monday)
Register: Marriages 1859 - 1880, Page 2, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 1526141

I assume you are going off this death for DOB

Deaths Sep 1892
Platt William - 54 -Wigan 8c 1

Do you have this cert?
Is it definately him ?

You say that the censuses posted are the right William
so do you think his mother was Ann ?

1841 ??????
PLATT, Ann F 25 1816 Lancashire VIEW
PLATT, William M 2 1839 Lancashire VIEW

Hello Anne - where do you get June 1838 to October 1838 as his possible birth?

Ages on marriage and death certificates are notoriously wrong, particularly back then when literacy was poor. It's usual to allow around +/- 2 years.