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i thought nancy bryden was her name as my cousin gave me that information, but she was emily a bryden bn sep 1911 d 1999, her sister mabel l bryden, was my grandmother, sorry for the confusion sally

Sally

This thread was supposedly about 'Nancy' - but you haven't given one shred of evidence to support the idea that she was related to your grandmother

I asked you to tell us where the idea came from - you haven't done so.

Have you now perhaps realised that you were mistaken? Or that you were given inaccurate info by someone who hadn't bothered to check facts?

A Possible for George Rutter, bearing in mind the Wirral connections and Emily's age. As Reggie says, the marriage certificate would help pin down age/middle name to help with the rest.

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: RUTTER, George Walter
Registration district: Wirral
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1972
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Date of birth: 10 April 1905
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 2099

Can't see a definite corresponding birth, but there is this one without the Walter. Again only a possible
Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
Rutter George Wirral 8a 449

Possible birth for the Thomas that Reggie found - Barton in Irwell RD covered Stretford

Civil Registration event: Birth

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Name: WILSON, Thomas R
Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1911
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 8C
Page no: 644

And Possible death for him - a year out with DOB. IF this is the correct person, then did they divorce if she remarried in 1961?

Civil Registration event: Death

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Name: WILSON, Thomas Rex
Registration district: Brighton
County: Sussex
Year of registration: 1989
Month of registration: March
Date of birth: 3 February 1910
Volume no: 18
Page no: 238
Reg no: 389

Order certs on line from............

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Never use any other site for certs

The cost per cert including postage is £9.25

Suggestion ONLY - you must get the marriage cert for facts about him

Name: Thomas Rex Wilson
Age in 1911: 2/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stretford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Stretford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1252 Chester Rd Stretford Manchester
Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Registration District Number: 463
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 23631
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Smith 54
Dorothy Mary Smith 15
Elizabeth Mary Smith 13
E Nicholson 30
Harry Haukey 20
Florence Wilson 23
Thomas Rex Wilson 2/12

sorry for the confusion, emily was ome of my ancestors but mabel l bryden was my grandparent. i was trying to look for both thomas rex wilson and george w rutters bdm's. I must be mixing the father and grandfather up. this thomas r wilson can't have married emily a bryden in 1932 as his dob was 24 may 1933 sally

do you know how much certificates cost,how should i go about getting one? sally

Sally

You say that David S Bryden cannot be the father of Nancy and her siblings because their father came from Dumfriesshire in Scotland. Are you confusing the father David with their grandfather William Walter Bryden who does appear to come from Scotland and based on trees on Ancestry Dumfriesshire in Scotland?

1891

Name: Wm Walter Bryden
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Bryden
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Poulton with Seacombe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Seacombe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Wallasey
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2897
Folio: 98
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Walter Bryden 52
Louisa Bryden 45
Wm Thompson Bryden 22
Harry Newton Bryden 20
Walter David Bryden 18
David Septimus Bryden 13
Tom Octavius Bryden 11
Louisa Dorothy Bryden 9

This thread from yesterday
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1302000

asked for help finding births and deaths of Thomas Rex Wilson and George W Rutter. Jax gave you a 1995 death to go with a 1933 birth for TRW and you thanked her for finding it.
However on this thread you appear to be saying Emily Bryden b 1911 married Thomas Wilson in 1932 and George Rutter in 1961.
What dates are you looking for please?

You state that 'Nancy' was your great aunt - who gave you that info?

Which of her siblings was your grandparent?

That is the most important piece of info..................................please tell us

You can't look for George Rutter's birth and death until you know how old he was when he married - for that info, you must buy the cert

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
BRYDEN David Septimus Birkenhead 8a 966
TURNER Martha Annie Birkenhead 8a 966


1911 census


Person: BRYDEN, David S Address: Alwyn Newton Frankby

BRYDEN, David S Head Married4 years M 33 1878 Hair Dresser Liverpool Lancs VIEW
BRYDEN, Annie Wife Married F 31 1880 Liverpool Lancs VIEW
BRYDEN, Harold Son M 2 1909 Leacombe Cheshire VIEW
PRICE, James E Boarder Married M 43 1868 Rent Collector Liverpool Lancs VIEW
PRICE, Margaret E Boarder Married3 years F 34 1877 Barrow in Furness Lancs VIEW
CORBETT, Sarah Servant F 14 1897 General Servant Ashton in Makerfield VIEW

The later children have been shown above.there is NO child named NANCY in this family

david s bryden can't be the parent as he came from dumfriesshire and moved up to wallasey, their mother came from wallasey, i found a letter that my late great aunt dora sent me if that helps sally

i still can't find george w rutters birth or death,he's not an easy one to find sally

i foundd two marriages for emily a bryden emily abrydenmarriage yr 1932 in wirral to thomas rex wilson second marriage to george r rutter yr 1961 in wirral . i finally found them sally

Maybe the death you found for Nancy E Rutter is this lady...


Marriages Dec 1931 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Haydock Nancy E - Rutter- Clitheroe 8e 553
Rutter Frank -Haydock - Clitheroe 8e 553

i found emily a rutter's death in 1999 i birkenhead b sept 1911 d nov 1999. thanks for your help with getting the right name sally :-D

Parents of the above in 1911?

Name: David S Bryden
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Frankby Greasby Grange
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Alwyn Newton West Kirby
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Hundresser
Registration district: Wirral
Registration District Number: 451
Sub-registration district: Woodchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 21944
Household Members:
Name Age
David S Bryden 33
Amnie Bryden 31
Harold Bryden 2
James E Price 43
Margaret E Price 34
Sarah Corbett 14

Other thread states that Nancy had a younger sister:-
(nancy bryden had two younger sisters, mabel louisa bryden b 1917 in the wirral, d 2000 a johnson and dora bryden b 1921, d 2009 a cracknell in the wirral. sally)

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Mabel L Bryden

Name:Mabel L Bryden
Mother's Maiden Surname:Turner
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district:Wirral
Inferred County:Cheshire
Volume Number:8a
Page Number:650

other children born after 1911:-

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
BRYDEN Emily A Turner Wirral 8a 839

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Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Bryden David E Turner Wirral 8a 793

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Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Bryden Mabel L Turner Wirral 8a 650

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Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Bryden Dora Turner Wirral 8a 776


............................so this is not the same family as that of Nancy born in 1912.

(If Mabel and Dora were YOUNGER sisters then Nancy couldn't have been born in 1912).