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thanks everyone, think it confirms that there is no record of him in the 1891 census.

Glad to be of help. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help here in Nottingham.

Wendy

No it wouldn't have altered that Keith, but it would have affirmed that you were on the right track!

Good find Wendy - that ties into the death and confirms the line.

For info:

Christening of Henry Lawrence at St Marks church Nottingham 19 Aug 1859 son of Henry and Rebecca Lawrence of Stretton St, Nottingham Henry senior was a Lace Agent.

Marriage of Henry Lawrence and Rebecca Selby at St Nicolas Church Nottingham on 8 April 1851.

Wendy

maybe but it would not alter the fact that he is missing from the 1891 census, as he is known as Lawrence on the 1901 census, sorry for any confusion.

It would have been helpful if you'd let us know about that record earlier on as it would have been a useful reference.

I see they must have changed it as it is showing Lawrence now.

yes I have seen it, but all family records I have spell the name, Lawrence, the Tower Hill Memorial team are to change the spelling in the near future. Marriage certificate and nancy's death certificate all show Lawrence.

Keith, what do you mean it's spelled LaWrence and not LaUrence?

The CWGC record I posted is spelled LaWrence (but they have Nancy as LaUrence)

Had you already seen that record?

Hi Marieceleste, yes that's him, his name is spelt incorrectly on the memorial and I have requested a change, it is spelt Lawrence and not Laurence. I think I will have to go with what I have got, his parents are Henry and Rebecca, just can't pin him dowm on the 1891 census, did they conduct a census abord ships?

Keith, I really don't know if naval records would name his parents - you could look on the National Archives website. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

What are your thoughts on that naval death I posted above - that names his parents?

I am beginning to believe they may have put the wrong occupation down, Nancy's father was a Keelman, where could I get inof on his naval records from? I know he was a marine fireman and he wore a petty officers uniform to his wedding, these records would show his parents would they not?

Just as a matter of interest, what was Nancy's father's occupation on the certificate? The registrar couldn't have mixed them up, could they?

I'm honestly starting to think that there was a mistake with his father's occupation on the marriage certificate. The CWGC death I posted ties him to the Henry and Rebecca already posted, but Henry is consistently a lace agent, as far back as 1861:

LAWRENCE, Henry Head Married M 34 1827 Lace Agent Nottingham
LAWRENCE, Rebecca Wife Married F 34 1827 London
LAWRENCE, Emily Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 Scholar Nottingham
LAWRENCE, Herbert Son Unmarried M 6 1855 Nottingham
LAWRENCE, Henry Son M 1 1860 Nottingham
BUCK, Elizabeth Visitor Widow F 79 1782 Market Deeping

Piece: 2460 Folio: 77 Page: 6
Registration District: Nottingham
Civil Parish: St Mary
Municipal Borough: Nottingham

Address: 14, Shelton Street, St Mary, Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire

my grandmother, lavinia lawrence, daughter of Harry and Nancy.

Keith, if that is the death that you're referring to then it seems to be the one who is the son of the lace merchant and not the mining engineer. However, the wife's name appears to be correct.

Just so we can be 100% sure about which direction to go in, who are you working back from?

From CWGC http://www.cwgc.org

LAWRENCE, HARRY

Rank: Fireman
Date of Death: 21/05/1917
Age: 57
Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine
"Jupiter" (Hull)
Panel Reference
Memorial TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Additional Information:
Son of Henry and Rebecca Lawrence (Formerly Selby). Husband of Nancy Laurence, of 17, Grosvenor Terrace, Grosvenor St., Hull. Born at Nottingham.

Many thanks for the information so far, forgot to mention fathers name, it was William Henry Lawrence, may have made an error on the census date, it is 1891 that I cant find him on. It is possible that I am on the wrong line as I agree there is a big difference between a lace agent and a mining engineer. really confused with this guy, to make things worse he died as a result of enemy torpedo during the 1st WW, his body was never recovered from the ship he was in, so no death certificate, also I dont think there are any navy records available for this period. gets a bit frustrating.

Found this on FamilySearch - confirms the correct father's name:

England, Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Harry Lawrence
groom's birth date: 1858
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 30
bride's name: Nancy Shaw
bride's birth date: 1857
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 31
marriage date: 13 May 1888
marriage place: Hull, York, England
groom's father's name: William Henry Lawrence
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: James Carmichael
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Widowed
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M01478-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1657074
reference number: 1715 v3 p191 cn382

Source Citation
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN34-FJJ : accessed 23 June 2012), Harry Lawrence, 1888.

Keith you've given us his father's occupation in your opening post - what was the father's name?

For info, on the 1901 Harry was a Stationary Engine Driver and son Edward was a Stone Mason.

It seems quite likely that the 1871 & 1881 with father Henry the Lace Agent aren't the right ones.

EDIT: See the CWGC death below, it seems they ARE the right census.

? Possible death of George Shaw
Civil Registration event: Death

Name: SHAW, George
Registration district: Hull
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1887
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 31
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 170