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morning vera :-)

yes you found him! thomas smith steele, great find never seen that before :-)

thanks will check my mails,

before I looked into my family tree we never knew where the name smith come from... my middle name has smith, my dads middle name also has smith and my grandads middle name also had smith and jesse as his middle name,

found that jesse steele had married sarah ann smith she was born 1841 so thats were the smith has come from

it was passed down to thomas smith steele, then thomas jesse steele, then my grandad, dad, then me :-)

so I feel a attatchment to sarah ann smith due to the name being passed down, will like to find more about her.

Ive been lucky as jesse steele was in the police, his son thomas smith steele was a postman, then thomas jesse steele was in the first world war so plenty of records to find!

I know thomas smith steele on one census had i think 6 children living with him and have not other information on harry clifford steele or beatrice, my dad remembers them when he was younger, great uncle cliff and great aunty bea :) would guess that I would have close relatives living outhere now from close relations (recent descendants)

thanks again for the postal information I have nothing at all on that and never seen anything on his information :-) looking forward to seeing it


pete

Peter

How lovely to have a picture of Jesse and great evidence.

Found this on another site.
This could be Thomas S. Not much info on original. Minute book reference given - not sure about these records and whether the minutes will show more.
Will e mail you the original.

British Postal Service Appointment Books, 1737-1969
about T S Steele Name: T S Steele
Date Appointed: 1886
Place Appointed: Birmingham

Vera

oh vera, jesse is the correct one, ive actually got original pictures of him passed down to me, also got his police records, but ive tried to contact the west midlands museum for more information but unable to contact them.

i know jesse had a son also named thomas steele and he was a post man, im trying to find out if you can get post records...


pete :-)

ha ha thanks ann :-D


thanks vera, fantastic help :-)

Happy to help Peter :-)

Vera

an absolute pleasure to help you Peter - and what a lovely smile you have!!! if only I were younger :-D

just to say thank-you for everyones help, im new to this site and posted about finding "thomas steel" grave...

had lots of help and responce, and suprised with the time and effort people have done in helping me...

john from this site emailed me with some information... we had previous contact before this site regards steel family.

St Paul, Quarnford

In memory of Thomas Steel, who died March 30, 1840 aged 79 years. Also Elizabeth wife of the above who died December 3, 1849 aged 79. “Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord.”

the date on my death certificate states 1849 but the above could be human error or that the date was warn slightly so hard to read, but very unlikely another thomas steel married to elizabeth died on the exact day.

thanks again everyone

peter steele

Peter

If your confident Jesse is your man the census backs that up as he was a PC father Abraham a Farmer. The marriage cert would confirm this.

If you haven't seen the marriage cert for Abraham's marriage to Emma, it may give Thomas' occupation but may only say 'deceased' which you already know.

For reference bmd certs cost £9.25 and can be obtained on this site.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

You would need the reference details whch you can find on the free bmd site.

Maybe you need to at least eliminate the 1849 death. I would try the Staffordshire site I posted, they may have some reference to his biurial and further information.

Vera

Hi vera,


ive not seen jesse's marriage certificate, just information ive found on the census, also the information ive been given for abrahams marriage certificate, as he remarried to emma hunt late in his life in sutton, states father thomas steel, "deceased" if I was to order these whats the best way to order death and birth certificates?


pete

Have seen the bc. Looks like Collier to me for Thomas' occupation.

Can you confirm that you have seen Jesse's marriage cert and the occupation of Abraham

Was there an occupation for Thomas on Abraham's marriage cert


Vera

I agreewith Allotment definitely not collier which is listed for person above on 1841. Other farmers on the sheet and it looks the same to me. Could be a farrier but not sure one small area would have too many of them. As he lives in areas where there are collieries could have changed occupations.

It seems unusual that a Joseph was the informant as the 1841 has him living with family.

I will pm you my e mail so that you can send dc to me on attach if you like
May be cause of death could give some indication to occupation.

Vera

bit of a mystery what his occupation could be.. hard to read, I also cant quite read what it states on the death certificate, again looks like collier or farrier, i can only read "ier" and unsure what the first part reads.

His son abraham was listed as a farmer...


thomas steel is a little elusive!

It looks like a farmer in 1841 but if it's a dot above an i then it could be farrier at a push but certainly not collier??

sorry the informant was shown as a joseph steel (hard to read) can we upload pictures on this site?




pete

hey Vera,

thanks for the information on george and martha, never seen that information before :-)

regards thomas, i made a mstake it was abraham thats listed as a farmer... ive tried to look at the original record 1841 census that you found with thomas but cant quite read what his occupation is? could it be collier? as what ive got on the death certificate...

I Actually found his death record on this site, I then ordered the certificate,

leek union, sub district of longacre, died at goldstitch, 17th of march 1849 aged 79 im guessing this is the correct thomas steel and ordered the correct certificate?

pete

Jujst a couple of queries:

who was the informant on the 1849 death cert for Thomas and
from which record did you get the information that Thomas was a Farmer.

On the 1841 census, Thomas is with Elizabeth, Martha, Esther and George Steel. It is possible that George is the son of Martha

parents: Martha Steel
name: George Brown Steel
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 24 Feb 1832
baptism/christening place: QUARNFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
mother's name: Martha Steel
indexing project (batch) number: C03947-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 435829

1841 England Census
about George Steel Name: George Steel
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Allstonefield
Hundred: North Totmonslow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Longnor
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1003
Book: 6
Folio: 12
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
George Steel 9

Vera

hey vera, just checked, yes that's Abrahams sister "Martha" thats great :-)

Someone gave me some information on thomas... this was the information children of jeremiah and mary
Abraham-1763
Jeremiah -1765
Mary –1768
Thomas—1770
Sarah—1772
James –1775
Isaac---1780

cant remember where he said the information was found? which parish records it would be..

could be my thomas?

Margaret parker had writen two books on quarnford and emailed me this

QUARNFORD RENTAL ROLLS

Rental of 1722 No mention of Steel family.

Rental 1768 Jeremiah
Joseph
Jonathon now Joseph

Rental 1775 Joseph Steel of Cambridge
Jeremiah Steel of Cuckold Corner
Widow Steel of Golden Hill

From a list of the Inhabitants of the Township of Quarnford 1789
Joseph Steel, wife possibly Martha
Mary Steel
Aaron Steel
Isaac Steel
Jeremiah Steel
Abraham Steel No place names mentioned.

Rental 1794 Joseph Steel of Cambridge
Jeremiah Steelof Cuckolds Corner
Widow Steel of Golden Hill
Isaac Steel

Rental 1802 Mary late Jeremiah of Cockolds Corner
Joseph of Cam Bridge
Aaron late Mary, Widow

Rental 1810
Joseph Steel
Abraham Steel
Aaron of Golden Hill
Isaac – has a wife unable to walk for 6 years and is very poor and therefore stands at ye old rent, paid in May 1809. He has a grandson brought up with him- John Steel- who contributes much to the comfort and support of ye old people. John is married and has one child. He is ye natural son of a daughter of Isaacs. Isaac wishes ye grandson to succeed him.

Rental 1846 Abraham
Joseph
Thomas George
still finding it difficult finding his grave site, but the above information is interesting but difficult to confirm if my relatives

Hi Ann


Yes that's Abraham, baptised 1805 Meerbrook, thats another way I managed to confirm his fathers name,

whats that information with emma steel? I know he remarried after betty "elizabeth" had died, and he remarried late in his life but unsure if he had children or what happened to emma?

pete

Emma Steel
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1839 Quarnford,? Staffordshire,? England
census: 1881 Sutton,? Cheshire,? England
spouse: Abraham Steel
children: Mary A Steel,? Emma Steel...


name: Emma Steel
age: 42
gender: Female
birth year: 1839
birthplace: Quarnford, Staffordshire, England
relationship to head of household: Wife
marital condition: Married
address: 25 Mill Lane
census place: Sutton, Cheshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341838
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 3496 / 59
page number: 1