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1851
Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
HARGRAVES, Mary Head Widow F 80 1771 House Keeper
Livesey, Lancashire VIEW
MCINTOSH, Mary Servant Unmarried F 56 1795 Servant
Livesey, Lancashire VIEW
HARGRAVES, Edmund Son Unmarried M 51 1800 Collier
Altham, Lancashire VIEW
WALSH, Ann Grand Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Factory Girl
Livesey, Lancashire VIEW
MCINTOSH, Isabella Grand Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 At Home
Altham, Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 2253
Folio: 49
Page: 5
Registration District: Burnley
Civil Parish: Altham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Lane Side, Altham
County: Lancashire


Just to be awkward she is a McIntosh


Regards Vera

Maybe it would help if i had the family on the 1851. They are still in altham from what i remember. Mary would probably be a walsh and she would have isabella macintosh living with her. I think ann is another illegitmate child of mary, born in 1834.? Ann walsh would be seventeen, and im just wondering if she is down as granddaughter of mary hargreaves, or daughter of mary walsh? I have mislaid my census details which i had from years ago. John walsh was married and living in altham somewhere too, dont think he was living with his mum, but somewhere in altham i think. Thomas hargreaves looks like the son of edmund and mary nee ?? but i found a baptism in altham where they had got dad down as edward. Its all very difficult

thanks vera, hard to get your head round eh? Thats why im double checking to see if john walsh put dad down as william whitaker on his marriage to margaret smith? Think he did, but im not the one with the certificate. He married in burnley st peters, but moved straihgt back to altham near his mum for birth of first child elizabeth around 1843, as she was baptised in altham. Probably worked at altham pit. But he ended up being lkilled in cliviger pit, so hard to decide, would it have been worse if he had stayed at altham and maybe got killed in that pit disaster, or burnley and got killed there. No chance for him . !
I often wonder how he met margaret as she lived in burnley i think . I havent spotted her on the 1841 census yet. He rdad was andrew , a cordwainer or a shoe maker. Think her mum was elizabeth. But margaret was born in glasgow scotland. Around 1824. :-)

Crikey Shirley these ancestors never make things easy....will read that reply a few times :-))
Regards Vera

I know vera, its a strange one. ! She starts out as mary hargreaves, has what looks like a child out of wedlock with william whitaker, in 1820, john hargreaves/whitaker Then on the 1841 she calls herself walsh. then marries john macintosh in 1837 and has this isabella . (bellow) John macintosh disapears from sight, who knows where he went? And then on the 1841 she is back to calling herself walsh again. But i am forgetting what she is calling herself on the 1851, think walsh? Not certain. But she dies as a mary macintosh in 1858. Strange woman !! Unless somewhere we have something wrong. But havent figured out what yet, as with burials etc, it all fits in. and certificates etc too. I am now going through the walsh folk in altham for round about 1820-1840 period, to see if i can spot a reason for the walsh surname coming in by 1841, and john being called walsh also?? because i have spotted no marriage. She married john macintosh as a walsh though, so presume from that she was walsh from somewhere between 1820 and 1837/38?? :-D

1841 for reference


HARGREAVES, Edmund M 65 1776 Lancashire VIEW
HARGREAVES, Mary F 70 1771 Lancashire VIEW
HARGREAVES, Edmund M 40 1801 Lancashire VIEW
HARGREAVES, Thomas M 20 1821 Lancashire VIEW
WALSH, Mary F 40 1801 Lancashire VIEW
WALSH, John M 20 1821 Lancashire VIEW
WALSH, Ann F 7 1834 Lancashire VIEW
MACANTASH, Bellow F 2 1839 Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 506
Book/Folio: 7/6
Page: 7
Registration District: Burnley Union
Civil Parish: Whalley
Municipal Borough:
Address: Lane Side, Whalley, Altham
County: Lancashire




Regards Vera

yes, thats the one, probably married, late july ish. Just need to know if father for john walsh is down as william whitaker or not? Will it say anywhere?
hopefully
shirley

Just out of curiosiry, if his mother is Hargreaves and his father is Whitaker, then why is John's name Walsh?

Marriages Sep 1842 (>99%)
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BRADSHAW Elizabeth Burnley 21 82
GRAY James Burnley 21 82
LUCAS Edward Burnley 21 82
RADCLIFFE Benjamin Burnley 21 82
REDSHAW Elizabeth Burnley 21 82
SMITH Margaret Burnley 21 82 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
TOMLINSON Isabella Burnley 21 82
WALSH John Burnley 21 82 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Hi
Please can anyone help with a marriage at st peters burnley in 1842, round about july august. The banns were read around the 10th july 1842. Its between john walsh and margaret smith. Margarets dad was andrew smith. But not sure if i have got john walsh's father down as definately william whitaker. One of the family has the certificate, but not me. I have a baptism of who i am certain is john walsh in 1820 in altham, mum mary hargreaves, da d william whitaker. Just not certain william whitaker appears on the marriage certificate of john to margaret? Could anyone possibly check. ? Can only get the banns for St peters on line for that year.
thanks
shirley