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Hi Amanda,

If you're able to view my tree, I am a descendant of Frederick Arrowsmith, who married Martha Leigh.

From there you will be able to see their children, followed by their children etc...

That said, I have only traced it down my line of family.

thanxs everybody for the information :-D

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: William T Arrowsmith
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1948
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 612



Marriages Dec 1911
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Arrowsmith William T Stoke upon Trent 6b 452
WHITEHURST Mary E Stoke T. 6b 452




England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Mary E Arrowsmith
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 328

To search for children enter the surname Arrowsmith and the mothers name Whitehurst, date search 1911 - 1920


1911 England Census
Name: Mary Whitehurst
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Longton, Staffordshire
Civil parish: Stoke upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 11 Edward Street, Stoke On Trent
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Pottery Enameller

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration district: Stoke upon Trent
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 237
Piece: 16557
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Whitehurst 64
William Whitehurst 27
Mary Whitehurst 25
Herbert Whitehurst

Edith married this man

Marriages Sep 1910
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Arrowsmith Edith M Stoke T. 6b 458
Dean Joseph Stoke T. 6b 458


1911 England Census
Name: Edith Mary Dean
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Civil parish: Fenton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 35 Raglan Street, Fenton, Stoke Upon Trent, Staffs
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 16582
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Dean 20
Edith Mary Dean 21
Joseph Dean 2/12

Married under one year. One child born so far

Amanda

You need to re read this thread. Shirley has posted Fre & Lilian on the 1911 and Shirley also posted the marriage between Fred and Lilian (not William and Lilian)

William is on the 1911 census that I posted for you, he is not married and is with his siblings......look at page 1


To search on freebmd

Enter the childs surname (Arrowsmith)

Enter the mothers maiden name (not her first name)

Enter the dates 1911 to 1923)

Enter the place Staffordshire

l have look at 3 of them

William and Lilian
Frederick and mary
Edith and James

on Staffordshire and free bmd there r no children coming up would you be able to see what is on the 1911 cences :-D :-D

Do you mean were there children born to Fred (not William) Arrowsmith and Lilian Edwards?


There are at least three births (1911 onwards) in Stoke showing on freebmd and Shirley posted the 1911 census showing some of the children

hiya penny l have search on staffordshire bmd and thereis no sign of any kids

try FREEBMD and see if you can spot any births with the correct mothers maiden names.

its free and far beter to do it for yourself

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

hya sorry l am back was just putting the baby down for a sleep

thanxs for all that information does it give any info regarding frederick marriage

does it say if any children were born in william and lilan maggage and her birth date

and the same with Edith andy children and will birh

thanxs :-D

possible

Marriage Record
Name Martha E Arrowsmith
Year of Marriage 1916
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Stoke on Trent
Registration County Staffordshire
Spouse's Surname Norman
Volume Number 6B
Volume Page 355

Spouse Match: Martha E ARROWSMITH married William G NORMAN

Name William G Norman
Year of Marriage 1916
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Stoke on Trent
Registration County Staffordshire
Spouse's Surname Arrowsmith
Volume Number 6B
Volume Page 355

possible

Marriage Record Name Edith M Arrowsmith
Year of Marriage 1910
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Stoke on Trent
Registration County Staffordshire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 6B
Volume Page 458

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alfred Noel Arrowsmith
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1904
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 238


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Alfred N Arrowsmith
Spouse Surname: Cicely Leese
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 476

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Alfred Noel Arrowsmith
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1904
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1976
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 30
Page: 1497

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Cicely Arrowsmith
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1904
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1976
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 30
Page: 1590

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1881 England Census
Name: John Leese
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 10 Sutherland Place
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 2734
Folio: 144
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Servenuus ? Cyples 46
Alice Cyples 53
Elizabeth Leese 29 <<Stepdaughter
Albert Leese 17 <<Stepson
Henry Leese 17 <<Stepson
John Leese 8
George Streets 29 <<Boarder

1891 England Census
Name: John Cupples
[John Leese]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Silvenus Cupples
Mother's name: Alice Cupples
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 2182
Folio: 10
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Silvenus Cupples 56
Alice Cupples 66
Elizabeth Leese 40 <<Daughter
John Cupples 18 <<Stepson
Albert Dale 6 <<Visitor
Henry Cupples 27 <<Stepson

1901 England Census
Name: Lilian Leese
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Leese
Mother's name: Sarah E Leese
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Longton
Ecclesiastical parish: Longton St James
Town: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 71
Piece: 2615
Folio: 95
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John Leese 28
Sarah E Leese 28
Emma Leese 6
Lilian Leese 3
George Leese 3 Months
Edward Evans 52 <<Father inlaw
Henry Evans 22 <<Brother inlaw
George Evans 11 <<Brother inlaw

1911 England Census
Name: Cicely Leece
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Daughter
Birth Place: Longton, Staffordshire
Civil parish: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 11 Bright Street, Longton, Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire
Occupation: school
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 347
Piece: 16604
Household Members: Name Age
John Leece 38 <<Potter's Handler
Sarah Elizabeth Leece 38 <<Throwers Take Off
Emma Leece 16 <<Potters Lathe Turner
Lillian Leece 13
George Leece 10
Alice Leece 8
Cicely Leece 6
John Leece 4
Frederick Leece 3

Married 18 years, 15 children 8 died

possible death
Civil Registration event: Death

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Name: ARROWSMITH, Lilian
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1961
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 76
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 406



Civil Registration event: Death
Name: ARROWSMITH, Frederick
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1966
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 78
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 729

here you are
Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: ARROWSMITH, Frederick
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 459
MarriageFinder: Frederick Arrowsmith married one of the following people:

EDWARDS, Lilian

according to the 1911 posted Frederick married a Lilian c 1906/7

l have fount 2 poss marriage on Staffordshire BMD

William arrowsmith and Liliam edwards marriage 1907

frederick Arrowsmith and Mary Tabbenor marriage 1925 l would think that frederick married late due to the WW1

1871 Census Household Record Household information
Address Union Street
Parish Penkhall
District Stoke Upon Trent, Stoke Upon Trent
Administrative County Staffordshire

Householder 1
Name William Leigh
Age 51
Estimated Year of Birth 1820
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 2
Name Hannah Leigh
Age 48
Estimated Year of Birth 1823
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 3
Name James Leigh
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 4
Name Elizth Leigh
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 5
Name Frederic Leigh
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 6
Name Martha Leigh
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 7
Name Arther Leigh
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1864
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

Name: ARROWSMITH, Frederick
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1911
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 51
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 150

1891 Census Household Record Household information
Address 2, Union Street
Parish No Description Available
District Stoke Upon Trent, Stoke Upon Trent
Administrative County Staffordshire

Householder 1
Name Hannah Leigh
Age 67
Estimated Year of Birth 1824
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Birth Place Longton
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 2
Name Frederick Arrowsmith
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Son In Law
Occupation Potters Labourer
Birth Place Penkhull
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 3
Name Martha Ellen Arrowsmith
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter In Law
Occupation
Birth Place Stoke On Trent
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 4
Name William Arrowsmith
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1886
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Stoke On Trent
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 5
Name Frederick Arrowsmith
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1888
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Stoke On Trent
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 6
Name Edith Arrowsmith
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1890
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Stoke On Trent
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 7
Name Samuel Arrowsmith
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1891
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Stoke On Trent
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 8
Name Elizabeth Stevenson
Age 24
Estimated Year of Birth 1867
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Ware Cleaner
Birth Place Penkhull
Birth County Staffordshire

Householder 9
Name Mary Stevenson
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Stoke On Trent
Birth County Staffordshire