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he is DEF aged 90 on the 1901 census and a widower . no occupation as you may expect

Thanks guys. Youve been great. Im still inclined to think that thomas holder is thomas bradley holden aged nine, unless someone finds him on a census for 1901. Because he with his dads parents in lytham in 1911 and some of his children with rosa have been born in lytham. I reckopn its just mistranscribed after wards so the enumerator puts widower as he needs some kind of status for thomas and thinks he is ninety by what is written down. Unless, that is not them in 1901,?B ut they are lodging with a telephone telegraph person, and though it says joseph born in burnley, it is a big coincidence. I reckon that he took thomas with him when he left , for whatever reason. And he seemingly spent time with him in lytham though he did bigamously marry someone else. And his dad put him on the oxford war memorial so they seem to have been close.
its a mystery?? There is photo of him on the burnley in the great war website. Its a very interesting story. thankyou for all your help . youve been amazing as usual.

Thanks guys. Youve been great. Im still inclined to think that thomas holder is thomas bradley holden aged nine, unless someone finds him on a census for 1901. Because he with his dads parents in lytham in 1911 and some of his children with rosa have been born in lytham. I reckopn its just mistranscribed after wards so the enumerator puts widower as he needs some kind of status for thomas and thinks he is ninety by what is written down. Unless, that is not them in 1901,?B ut they are lodging with a telephone telegraph person, and though it says joseph born in burnley, it is a big coincidence. I reckon that he took thomas with him when he left , for whatever reason. And he seemingly spent time with him in lytham though he did bigamously marry someone else. And his dad put him on the oxford war memorial so they seem to have been close.
its a mystery?? There is photo of him on the burnley in the great war website. Its a very interesting story. thankyou for all your help . youve been amazing as usual.

1901

Name: Rosa Slaker
[Rosa Slatter]
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Ann Slatter
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: St Ebbe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Oxford
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1168
Folio: 93
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Slatter 57
Frank Slatter 28
Fanny Slatter 26
Fred K Slaker 22
Rosa Slaker 20
Mark Slaker 17
Frank Slaker 8
Samuel Slaker 7

1871

Name: Rosa Slatter
Age: 7 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Arthur E Slatter
Mother's name: Mary A Slatter
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: St Ebbe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Oxford
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 79
Piece: 1439
Folio: 64
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur E Slatter 42
Mary A Slatter 37
Arthur E Slatter 14
Thomas H Slatter 11
Frank Slatter 9
William Slatter 7
Frederick Slatter 3
Rosa Slatter 7 Months
Martha Collcutt 30
Elizabeth Collcutt 30
Sarah E Norris 36

Yes, did see that joseph and thomas holder may not be correct people. Thats possibly true. Can anyone spot them anywhere on the 1901 at all.? And i just noticed that thomas bradley holden enlisted in burnley. So he must have gone back home from lytham after 1911. I am still thinking, even despite details to the contrary, that those two in 1901 are them. Slim chance i know, and it looks wrong. But its not unknown for the enumerators to make a mistake. But at least i know where they are in 1911 and then that thomas moved back to burnley to enlist.
So it still remains a partial mystery, for ten years. :-)

Thankyou for the slatter stuff reggie. Unusual name. Sounds a bit jewish maybe? I think the person who tracked joseph down to oxford had not seen the 1911, well, did not mention it anyway. Only the 1901. But is it possible that the enumerator made a mistake ? Has anyone known of other mistakes?
I will shut up now, before you tell me off for believing in my gut instinct rather than solid proof. I know, its not the correct thing to do. I wont put it down as official, just keep it in my head , until i find joseph and maybe thomas bradley holden on the 1901 census somehwere else. :-D

Just a thought...do you have the marriage cert for Joseph and Rosa? There may be a clue if an actual address is listed for him.

Maureen

Of course enumerators made mistakes........but the difference between a 9-year old boy and a 90 year old widower is unlikely to have been one of them

PLUS - the surname was HOLDER

Slatter is far from uncommon - particularly in the neighbouring County of Gloucestershire.

1871

Name: Joseph Holden
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Holden
Mother's name: Sarah Holden
Gender: Male
Where born: Horbury, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Habergham Eaves
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 208
Piece: 4149
Folio: 147
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Holden 27..........born Dewsbury
Sarah Holden 24..........born Burnley
Joseph Holden 4
Robert Holden 2
William Holden 1

thanks reggie. appreciate all your hard work . :-)