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Reggie

Once again thank you very much for taking the time to search for this couple.

It really is a puzzle trying to find the family throughout the census
I have retained all the information given to be able go through it slowly

Kind regards

Tom

Name: Andrew Purnell

Spouse's Name: Eliza Waters

Event Date: 28 May 1849
Event Place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00145-5
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 561169, 561170, 561171, 561172, 561173, 561174, 561175

1851 census

Person: PURNELL, Andrew Address: 2, Mansfield Place, Saint Pancras

PURNELL, Andrew Head Married M 27 1824 General Dealer
St Pancras VIEW
PURNELL, Eliza Wife Married F 23 1828
St Pancras VIEW
PURNELL, Andrew Son M 1 1850
St Pancras VIEW
WALTERS, Sarah Sister In Law F 10 1841
St Pancras

1861 census


Person: PURNELL, Arthur Address: 9, Mansfield Place Upper, St Pancras

PURNELL, Andrew Head Married M 39 1822 Publican
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
PURNELL, Eliza Wife Married F 33 1828
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
PURNELL, Andrew G Son M 11 1850
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
PURNELL, John Wm Son M 9 1852
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
PURNELL, Albert Son M 5 1856
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
PURNELL, Arthur Son M 3 1858
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
PURNELL, Fredk E Son M 2 1859
St Pancras, Middlesex VIEW
LOCKYER, Emma Servant Unmarried F 17 1844
St Pancras, Middlesex

Can't see them in 1841.......................and George jnr should definitely be there, having been born in 1840.

Reggie

Thank you for your help and advice, the information gathered has not been discarded it's all on file now and I can peruse it at leisure.

Kucinta Thank you for your help on this subject also

Kind regards

Tom

????

Jane Purnell married James Pannell. I originally posted Jane Purnell's baptism as I thought it might have been a variant spelling of Panell, but maybe it wasn't after all, and Pannell was her married name.

Name: James Pannell baker<<<<<<<
Spouse Name: Jane Purnell<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Aug 1844
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Thomas Pannell carpenter
Spouse Father: John Purnell-dead<<<<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Register

Maybe she wasn't free to marry George?

EDIT - Sorry, a complete red herring, as the above couple are still together in 1861:

Address: 13, Little Camden Street, Pancras County: London

PANNELL, James Head Married M 42 1819 Baker Jour
Bognor, Sussex
PANNELL, Jane Wife Married F 39 1822 Stepney, Sussex
PANNELL, James Son M 14 1847 Errand Boy Camden Town, Middlesex
PANNELL, Jane Daughter F 16 1845 Camden Town, Middlesex
PANNELL, Mary Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar Camden Town, Middlesex
PANNELL, Thomas Son M 7 1854 Scholar Camden Town, Middlesex
PANNELL, Emily Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar Camden Town, Middlesex
PANNELL, Fanny Daughter F 2 1859 Camden Town, Middlesex
PARVIS, Eliza Unmarried F 19 1842 Serv Camden Town, Middlesex
ISGROVE, Mary Unmarried F 21 1840 Serv Somersetshire

Name: Virginia Ann Grant
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1847
Christening Place: Notting Hill, Middlesex, England

Father's Name: George Grant

Mother's Name: Jane Grant

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00915-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 597797
Reference ID: v P84 p 37

Name: George Charles Grant
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1847
Christening Place: Notting Hill, Middlesex, England
Birth Date: 05 Nov 1840


Father's Name: George Grant


Mother's Name: Jane Grant


Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00915-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 597797
Reference ID: v P84 p 37

Births Dec 1840 (>99%)
GRANT George Charles Kensington 3 247

????

Not sure because of the variation in surname spelling.

Born 10th march 1857.
Father a general dealer:

Name: Arthur Purnell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 May 1857
Father's Name: Andrew Purnell
Mother's name: Eliza Purnell
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers


????

Name: Jane Purnell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1822
Father's Name: John Purnell
Mother's name: Ann Purnell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Hi Folks

I have now received the Birth Cert of Agnes Hannah Grant.
I now have the mothers name Jane Grant formerly Pannel I have searched for
her and I have been unable find her birth or marriage. I have come to the conclusion
that Jane and George never married, but on searching I came across this on the 1881 census

Jane P. Grant
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: George Grant
Gender: Female
Where born: St Georges In Earl, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 29 Tobin St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 32a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 33
Folio: 54
Page Number: 63
Household Members:
Name Age
George Grant 58
Jane P. Grant 58
Arthur Prenell 26

I have looked for this man and can't find him either, is this just a coincidence
or what......................

Can I have your thoughts on this please

1851 census

Person: GRANT, Andrew Address: Little Mall, Kensington

GRANT, George Head Married M 34 1817 General Dealer
Kensington, Middlesex VIEW
GRANT, Jane Wife Married F 31 1820
St Anne Soho, Middlesex VIEW
GRANT, George Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Kensington, Middlesex VIEW
GRANT, Andrew Son M 9 1842 Scholar
Kensington, Middlesex VIEW
GRANT, Virginia Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar
Kensington, Middlesex

I see that you followed my advice about how to delete.........and have now deleted the other thread about his topic.

No doubt a lot of the work done has been duplicated...................

So the 'P' in Jane's name is possibly her maiden name.....................

Hi Folks

I have been trying to find the marriage of the George and his wife Jane Grant over
a long time now and have come to the conclusion that the couple did not marry.

I now have the Birth Cert for Agnes H Grant giving me her mothers name as
Jane Grant formerly Panell.

I have searched for her birth and marriage to no avail, but, found this on the 1881 census

Name: Jane P. Grant
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: George Grant
Gender: Female
Where born: St Georges In Earl, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 29 Tobin St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 32a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 33
Folio: 54
Page Number: 63
Household Members:
Name Age
George Grant 58
Jane P. Grant 58
Arthur Prenell 26

I have looked for Arthur Prenell he is listed as a Nephew and can't find him either


Could I have your views on the above please......

Regards

Tom

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1334299

This is the marriage that AnnCardiff put up that got you confused about being single.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Agnes Hannah Grant
Name: Agnes Hannah Grant
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 19
Spouse Name: William Parbery ****Plumber
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Aug 1870
Parish: Holy Trinity, Paddington
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: George Grant General Dealer
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Parbery (deceased) Plumber
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses were Thomas Bowden and Ellen Kate Parbery

Thanks Christina

I know exactly what you mean Tom. When lots of information comes at once I need time to go through it.

Hi ChristinaS
I think the answer to your question re Mary/Maria is total confusion
As I have looked at so many bits of information over the past few days
that my mind went blank and can't see the wood from the trees!!
but at my age (78) it happens once in a while, I hope you understand
so thank you for your time and patience in trying help me

Chris ho
Thanks to you also for looking and your for help it is much appreciated

Kind regards to you both

Tom