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The rise in rank seems unlikely! If he WAS an officer there should be details of any promotions for him in the London Gazette which is searchable online

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search

Who is this one then? Father David was a sargeant in the army.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George David Hatelie Name: George David Hatelie
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1862
Baptism Date: 3 Aug 1862
Father's Name: David Hatelie
Mother's Name: Matilda Hatelie
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

David Jr.'s in hospital here:

1901 England Census
about David Hatche Name: David Hatche
[David Hatelie]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Montreal, Cornwall, England
[Montreal, Canada]

Civil parish: East Stonehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: East Stonehouse
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: East Stonehouse
Sub-registration district: East Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Naval Hospital

He's married, a chief engineer (Naval Officer)

Re. the possible rise to L. Colonel - having consulted my OH who is into all things historical & military, his opinion is 'no chance'!! But it's such a co-incidence isn't it. David senior was certainly in the right place at the right time, although Canada is a very big place!
I suppose a bit of exaggeration might have taken place? Especially if his parents did not marry.
Jan

not even sure this is your David Hatelie !!


Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
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Forrest Alexander Westminster 1a 396
>>>>>Hatelie David Westminster 1a 396
>>>>>Kingsbury Matilda Westminster 1a 396
Short Lucy Westminster 1a 396

1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 941
Folio: 40
Page: 35
Reg. District: Steyning
Sub District: Shoreham
Parish: Preston
Enum. District: 45
Ecclesiastical District: St Augustine
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 167, Waldegrave Road, Preston
County: Sussex


HATCHE, David Head Married M 65 1836 Retired Launderer
Scotland
HATCHE, Matilda Wife Married F 61 1840 Retired Laundress
East Packham, Kent



1911

Reg. District: Steyning
Sub District: Preston
Parish: Preston
Enum. District: 11
Address: 167 Waldegrave Road Preston
County: Sussex

HATELIE, David Head Married M 75 1836 Army Pensioner Edenburgh Scotland
HATELIE, Matilda Wife Married
52 years F 72 1839 Peckham


2 children born and both have died

??

1881

RG number: RG11
Piece: 1086
Folio: 25
Page: 44
Reg. District: Brighton
Sub District: St Peter
Parish: Brighton
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 53, Princes Road, Brighton
County: Sussex

HATCLIE, David Head Married M 43 1838 Army Pensioner
Scotland
HATCLIE, Matilda Wife Married F 41 1840 Laundress
Peckham, Kent


1891

RG number: RG12
Piece: 809
Folio: 102
Page: 33
Reg. District: Brighton
Sub District: St Peter
Parish: Brighton
Enum. District: 34
Ecclesiastical District: St Martin
City/Municipal Borough: Brighton
Address: 53, Princes Road, Brighton
County: Sussex

HATELIE, David Head Married M 53 1838 Laundry Man
Edinburgh, Scotland
HATELIE, Matilda Wife Married F 51 1840 Laundress
Tunbridge, Kent

I am looking for some advice here more than any records.

My great grandfather, David Hatelie, was born Montreal, Canada on 22 Aug 1863 and died 24 Dec 1904. I have these dates from the National Archives as he was in the RN. I also have his marriage certificate in 1885, which has his father as David Hatelie, a Lieutenant Colonel. Not recorded as being deceased. This is the first solid detail I have. I also have the 1901 census and his probate.

I have never been able to find anything else about his father David but have been wondering about this.

Worldwide Army Index1861

First Name(s):David

Last Name:Hatelie

Number:5469

Rank:Sergeant

Unit:3rd Foot Guards (Scots Fusilier)

Regiment Stationed at:London

His discharge papers in 1876, has him at rank of color serjeant and state he had been serving in Canada between 20 Dec 1861 and 19 Sept 1864. He was discharged as 'he had come to the end of his second period of limited engagement.' He had been in service for over 21 years.

He was born in 1837 in the parish of Mid Calder, Scotland. I have found records from Kirkliston which may pertain to him. He stated on his papers that he was going to settle in Lewes.

I can find no further details on him.


My main question is, do you think this person, son of an ag lab, who seems to have ended his military career at the rank of color serjeant and the age of 40, could possibly have rejoined and risen to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Liz