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i have a certificate with my nans photo on it and signed by the surrey police that she is a registered alien, for all of you that have helped i found out yesterday that my grandad giovanni was locked up at the start of world war 1 for being a suspected enemy alien and that is why my nan was registered also.
thanks sandra

Sandra,
Do you hold a document dated 13 Oct 1916?
The UK Aliens Entry Books are not searchable by name on Ancestry.... only by date.
How did you come by this info?

There is no one called Ellen Chiapporo or anyone resembling her on the books for 13 Oct 1916.

HO 5/113: 1916 Oct 07 - 1916 Dec 23 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 70)
13 Oct 1916 is found on pages 62-77 of 1012

There is an alphabetical index on the last few pages, listing every letter that was sent. There is no one called Chiappori in this book.

Anne

thankyou for all your help
kind regards sandra

Sorry - we can't seem to find it. Do a straight copy and paste of everything associated with the entry and we can have another go.

We've been looking on Ancestry - it was that site, wasn't it?

As for where Giovanni came from. Make contact with an Anglo-Italian FH group - they may be able to give pointers.

http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/default.shtml

right ok thankyou for looking for me, i really appreciate your help
thanks sandra

it was issued by surrey police

HO 5/113: 1916 Oct 07 - 1916 Dec 23 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 70)

I've looked through the above for letters 16 Oct 1916 - many are faded (they are the carbon copies and the print had worn off!) and couldn't spot your Nan's name.

The letters are primarily of the same format telling people what documents to take to an interview

OK, I've found the book but there are 1082 pages and it is not indexed and isn't searchable so I can't go through all those pages.

There is an index of memos about naturalisations but they are listed in alphabetical order of the recipient not the alien.

They are not in chronological order either.

UK, Aliens Entry Books, 1794-1921






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Ancestry.com. UK, Aliens Entry Books, 1794-1921 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.
Original data: Aliens Office and Home Office: Aliens' Entry Books. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA). Series HO 5. 142 volumes.

Data imaged from The National Archives, London, England. 2,131 rolls. The National Archives gives no warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or fitness for the purpose of the information provided. Images may be used only for purposes of research, private study or education. Applications for any other use should be made to The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU.


About UK, Aliens Entry Books, 1794-1921




This data collection consists of correspondence and other documents of the Home Office and the Aliens Office from 1794 to 1921. The majority of the collection consists of out-letters relating to aliens and naturalisations. These are arranged chronologically. Includes some additional miscellaneous documents, such as some registers of applications for denization.








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HO 5/092: 1912 Feb 07 - 1912 May 25 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 49)
HO 5/093: 1912 May 27 - 1912 Sep 14 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 50)
HO 5/094: 1912 Sep 14 - 1912 Dec 18 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 51)
HO 5/095: 1912 Dec 19 - 1913 Apr 09 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 52)
HO 5/096: 1913 Apr 10 - 1913 Aug 06 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 53)
HO 5/097: 1913 Aug 07 - 1913 Nov 29 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 54)
HO 5/098: 1913 Dec 01 - 1914 Apr 16 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 55)
HO 5/099: 1914 Apr 17 - 1914 Aug 08 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 56)
HO 5/100: 1914 Aug 16 - 1914 Sep 18 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 57)
HO 5/101: 1914 Sep 19 - 1914 Oct 31 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 58)
HO 5/102: 1914 Nov 01 - 1914 Dec 10 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 59)
HO 5/103: 1914 Dec 11 - 1915 Jan 22 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 60)
HO 5/104: 1915 Jan 22 - 1915 Feb 18 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 61)
HO 5/105: 1915 Feb 19 - 1915 Mar 27 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 62)
HO 5/106: 1915 Mar 27 - 1915 May 24 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 63)
HO 5/107: 1915 May 24 - 1915 Jul 22 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 64)
HO 5/108: 1915 Jul 23 - 1915 Oct 30 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 65)
HO 5/109: 1915 Nov 01 - 1916 Feb 02 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 66)
HO 5/110: 1916 Feb 03 - 1916 May 01 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 67)
HO 5/111: 1916 May 01 - 1916 Jul 18 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 68)
HO 5/112: 1916 Jul 19 - 1916 Oct 07 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 69)
HO 5/113: 1916 Oct 07 - 1916 Dec 23 (Out Letter Books. Vol. 70)

Well, I can't even find that collection!

Sandra - do you know how to copy and past directly from that screen?

When you say you have the certificate, do you mean you actually have the paper document? Where was it issued and who by?

EDIT: - searching for the collection on Ancestry didn't fetch it up, but Google did!

This guy?

Giuseppe Chiappori
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 241

This might be his marriage. If you purchased it, you could compare the names of the fathers with your Nan's certificate

Giuseppe G Chiappori
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Registration district: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 315

Another Chiappori found on 1911 - crew man on a vessel, but it does give a placeof birth

Florio Valerio Chiappori
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Crew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Pegli Gemore, Italy <<<<<
Civil parish: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 12
Estimated Marriage Year: 1899
Occupation: Chief Engineer Luigi Crasegn
Registration district: Newport

It might be a blind alley

she was registered in surrey, the page i was trying to access is uk, aliens entry books 1794-1921

is there any way of finding out giovanni chiappori's family in italy born 1874, we have found a giuseppe chiappori who lives in a different part of the uk, but not sure if they were brothers.... giovanni was part of sangers circus and married ellen in 1909.... ellen had 2 children prince edward james bristow and mabel bristow before marrying giovanni, i have no clue if giovanni was their dad or they had a different dad. and why was he named prince??? can you help me further???

I am a world wide member and its not coming up for me !

Sandra,
I have a ww membership and cannot see the entry that you are referring to.
Where is she registered as an alien in 1916? If you require a ww membership, then I presume this must be outside the UK

Could you copy and paste *exactly* what you can see on the page please? It normally says which data base its from

That way we may be able to reproduce the results.

yes jeremy is my cousin we r in contact with each other thankyou

hi thanks for your replies. there is a section in ancestry where you can check the listed people, i have the certificate of my nan registered as an alien, you have to look for the date first then see if she is on the list. it says it does have additional info but you have to be a worldwide member and i only have standard membership. from the info you have given me you have the right person.. i was just curious as to if there was more info then i already have
thanks sandra

Do you know a Jeremy Chandler? He has a private tree on Ancestry and the following

Photo: Elephant from Sanger's Circus working at Horley
Category: Portrait
Attached To: Giovanni Chiapporri (born 1874)

Story Title: Elephant keeper with Sanger's Circus
Attached To: Giovanni Chiapporri (1874-1951)

Because it is a private tree, no other details are visible

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Giovanni Chiappori
Name: Giovanni Chiappori
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1951
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 598