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Census/Birth for Nellie Wootton

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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 21:33

My pleasure Sarah! I found them by searching for a William Wootton with no date or place of birth or residency but putting in Foreman as a keyword. That was the most likely one that came up. I thought it could be a possiblity as you said that Frederick was a Commercial Traveller so it looks like he met Nellie on his travels.

Good luck with your research.

Mrs. Rootie



Marriages Sep 1874
Evans Thomas Aylesbury 3a 726
GURNEY Clara Elizabeth Aylesbury 3a 726 <<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Eliza Bland Aylesbury 3a 726
Wootton William Aylesbury 3a 726 <<<<<<<<<<<

Sarah

Sarah Report 4 Sep 2012 21:27

That's them! Interesting that the mother is called Clara as Nellie and John Henry named one of their daughters Ivy Clara. Ancestry have listed her as Nellie Wootton in 1911 but on the original it states Nellie Wood - married under one year! It also states she is a book folder and on her marriage certificate it states she worked as a book binding factory hand.Also father William's occupation matches. Thank you so much rootgatherer.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 21:21

The above family look hopeful as that William was still alive at the time of Nellie's marriage?


Deaths Jun 1925 Wootton William G 84 Aylesbury 3a 899




Deaths Mar 1930 Wootton Clara E 79 Aylesbury 3a 1240



EDIT

Sorry, I should have said that Nellie was a Book Folder on that 1911 census.


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 21:10

1911

Name: William Wootton
Age in 1911: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 21St Johns St, Aylesbury
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer <<<<<<<<
Registration district: Aylesbury
Registration District Number: 146
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 268
Piece: 7931
Household Members: Name Age
William Wootton 70
Clara Wootton 60
William Wootton 31
Nellie Wootton 20 Daughter, MARRIED
Kathleen Wootton 17
Grace Wootton 14
Albert Wootton 12


1901

Name: William Wootton
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Clara Wootton
Gender: Male
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Aylesbury St Mary and St John
Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 1355
Folio: 92
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
William Wootton 59
Clara Wootton 50
John Wootton 24
Harry Wootton 15
Edward Wootton 15
Charlie Wootton 13
Nellie Wootton 9 <<<<<<<
Kathleen Wootton 7
Grace Wootton 5
Albert Wootton 2

Births Jun 1891 Wootton Nellie Aylesbury 3a 784

Sarah

Sarah Report 4 Sep 2012 21:08

Ah ok thanks for the update rootgatherer.

Yes I have the 1911 census for Disraeli Road - the witnesses were Frederick's brother and his wife and their mother Amelia. I thought perhaps Nellie might have still been living there but no such luck.

For info - this is 1911 census for Frederick, Nellie's 1st husband:

Name: Frederick Wood
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sevenoaks, Kent, England
Civil parish: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 47 Commercial Road, Bedford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Canvasser
Registration district: Bedford
Registration District Number: 174
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 237
Piece: 8877
Household Members:
Charles Henry Perkins 42
Bertha Perkins 32
Elsie Bertha Perkins 13
Leslie Perkins 10
John Mitchell 42
Frederick Wood 23

Sarah

Sarah Report 4 Sep 2012 20:59

The certificate information from Ancestry tree is actually from my tree - just to clarify - John Henry Wood was a bachelor when he married Nellie - he was never married to his first "wife".

I know of two children that Nellie and Frederick had:
Frederick William Wood b 1912 Marylebone
Prudence Doris Wood b 1913 Brentford

I know they had another child according to the 1911 census return for Frederick who died but I have not been able to work out who that is yet.

Thanks Chris Ho for highighting that death may relate to a spinster - back to the drawing board on her death date then too!

Thanks Rootgatherer for clarifying those census - I will have another look at those.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 20:41

The witnesses from the first marriage are still at the same address in 1911

Name: Violet Lilian Wood
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Putney
Civil parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 18 Disraeli Rd, Putney
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: Putney
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 2443
Household Members: Name Age
Amelia Jane Wood 53 Boarding House Keeper, 9 children born, 5 living 4 have died
Violet Lilian Wood 23 Daughter-in-law. married 2 years, 1 child born, 1 child living
Charles Llewellyn Wood 22 Son
Lily Causton 57 Boarder

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 20:25

Well, the above Helen / Nellie can be eliminated as this seems to be her marriage.

Name: Helen Wootton
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Spouse Name: Joseph Henry Purdy
Spouse Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Mar 1917
Parish: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Wootton <<Dr. Sergeant Master Royal Engineers. (Deceased)
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Purdy
Register Type: Parish Register



So back to the drawing board..................

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Sep 2012 20:20

Name: WOOD, Nellie
Registration district: [?] Pancras
County: London
Year of registration: 1960
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:75
Volume no: 5D
Page no: 404

(could be the below)


Name: Nellie Wood
Probate Date: 13 Apr 1960
Death Date: 8 Feb 1960
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England

(spinster of 10, St. Georges House, Coptic Street London, died University College Hospital London. Probate to Frances Alberta Wood, Violet Anne Wood spinsters)

Chris :)

edits (Frances Death 1962, Violet Death 1964, both London)

Mary

Mary Report 4 Sep 2012 19:34

Is this one of their children Frederick W Wood J/F/M 1912 St Marylebone. 1a 946

Could the W be for William named after her dad?

Info off marriage certs which are on a Ancestry tree.
She married 1/11/1910 address 18 Disraeli Road Putney age 21 = 1889 it says Fredericks dad Henry is deceased,her dad William a builders foreman witnesses C Wood and Violet Wood.

25/6/1923 she married John Henry Wood it says he was a batchelor but he was a widow.Nellie age 32 = 1891.
His dad Henry deceased her dad William a Builder doesn't say deceased on either of the certs.
Witnesses A Cleaver,R Hiard?

Maryb

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 19:21

Any clues from the witnessess at Nellie's marriages?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 19:19

Sarah, the Maud and Nellie on the 1901 census are together on the 1891 census (with Nellie listed as Helen) that I posted above. The girls are with their parents John and Mary Ann in 1891. Looks like Mary Ann died in 1893 and john married Elizabeth Giddons in 1894.

I think the Maud in the 1891 census that you have posted is a different family.

To summarise here.

1891

Name: Maud Wootton
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Wootton
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wootton
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 66
Folio: 112
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Wootton 43
Mary Ann Wootton 41
John Wootton 6
Walter Wootton 5
Maud Wootton 4
Helen Wootton 11/12


Births Jun 1890 Wootton Helen Chelsea 1a 338


Name: Helen Wootton
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1890
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1890
Father's Name: John Wootton (Master Cook)
Mother's Name: Mary Wootton
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea Holy Trinity
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers


Image says born Royal Hospital on 30 (looks like June?)





Deaths Jun 1893 Wootton Mary Ann 44 Chelsea 1a 275


Marriages Jun 1894
Davis Kate Chelsea 1a 592
Giddins Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<<
Riley Thomas Chelsea 1a 592
Wootton John Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<<<


In 1901 Elizabeth is widowed and Maud and Nellie (Helen) are living with their stepmother. Their brother Walter is in the Workhouse.





Just in case it proves useful later.


Name: John Wootton Master Cook, Royal Hospital
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Giddins
Spouse Age: 42
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Apr 1894
Parish: Chelsea Christ Church
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: John Wootton, Bailiff (Deceased)
Spouse Father Name: John Walls French Polisher (Deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register

Residence for both Royal Hospital. Both widowed. Witnesses George J. Giddons and A. Arundell

Sarah

Sarah Report 4 Sep 2012 14:38

Ah ok - see what you mean. Found this 1891 entry for a Maud Wootton which could be one of those girls - looks like that Nellie would have been born slightly later in the year so doesn't appear -

Name: Maud Wootton
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wootton
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 152
Folio: 68
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Elizabeth Wootton 47
Elizabeth W Wootton 29
Stephen Wootton 17
Albert Wootton 7
Maud Wootton 2

Mother listed as a widow so perhaps Nellie was conceived and then the father died? That said, I looked up the 1881 census and she is also listed as Widowed then too so perhaps she had lots of illigitimate children.

I think this Nellie married Arthur Tremayne Gwilliam and appears on census with that surname so looks like that lead has come to an end.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 14:08

As there isn't an obvious entry for Nellie 9with father William, a builder) on the 1891 or 1901 census records it is possible that her father died when she was too young to remember him or perhaps she was illegitimate and never knew him.

It is not uncommon for inaccurate details to be given for the father on a marriage entry.... often the details given are those of a grandfather or stepfather or entirely ficticious.

Sarah

Sarah Report 4 Sep 2012 13:46

Nellie's father was William not John so that rules those ones out as well. William was listed as a Builder in both 1910 and 1923 marriages - no mention of whether he was deceased or not.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 13:44

Marriages Jun 1894
Davis Kate Chelsea 1a 592
Giddins Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<<
Riley Thomas Chelsea 1a 592
Wootton John Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<<<


Elizabeth is listed as widowed in 1901.


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 13:32

???


Deaths Jun 1893 Wootton Mary Ann 44 Chelsea 1a 275


1881

Name: John Wootton
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Husband (Head) (Head)
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Wootton
Gender: Male
Where born: Harrow, Middlesex, England
[Lee, Buckinghamshire, England]

Civil parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: "45th Regt Sherwood Forstrs"
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Sergt Master Cook

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 45th Regiment Sherwood Foresters
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 785
Folio: 20
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
John Wootton 36
Mary Ann Wootton 30


Births Jun 1890 Wootton Helen Chelsea 1a 338


Name: Helen Wootton
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1890
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1890
Father's Name: John Wootton (Master Cook)
Mother's Name: Mary Wootton
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea Holy Trinity
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers


Image says born Royal Hospital on 30 (looks like June?)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2012 13:14

Have you eliminated this one please?

1901

Name: Nellie Wootton
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wootton
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 369
Folio: 148
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Wootton 54
George Giddins 28
Annie Giddins 19
Frank Giddins 16
Maud Wootton 14
Nellie Wootton 10

This looks like those 2 girls in 1891?

Name: Maud Wootton
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Wootton
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wootton
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 66
Folio: 112
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Wootton 43
Mary Ann Wootton 41
John Wootton 6
Walter Wootton 5
Maud Wootton 4
Helen Wootton 11/12

In 1901 Walter is in the workhouse - so perhaps his parents had died?

Name: Walter Wootton
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Gender: Male
Where born: Athlone, Ireland

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter, Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Newington Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 381
Folio: 114
Page Number: 13



What occupation did Nellie give for her father when she married please?

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Sep 2012 13:13

sorry worth a try

Sarah

Sarah Report 4 Sep 2012 12:13

Unfortunately that Lillian shows up on the 1911 census with her sister Rosina - still listed as Wootton and single - Nellie was married by then so it's unlikely it's her.