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Hi all, I wonder if any one can help me please.
My wife's grandmother has given us a name to search for our tree, a Phyllis G Binding, born 1911 in Portsmouth.
I have found the record of her birth, but can not find any reference to her parents, I have found her marriage and her children, but it is her parents we need help with.
Over to you..........................
Cheers Sean

For ref.

Births Dec 1911 Binding Phyllis G Binding Portsmouth 2b 924


You may need to buy the certificate to get the details of her parents.

There is also this birth in the same area

Births Dec 1916 Binding Dorothy M Binding Portsmouth 2b 676


Given that the mmn is also Binding, it is unlikely that a father will be names on the certificate.

As the birth record gives the mother's maiden name as Binding, there probably won't be a father's name on the certificate.


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Births Dec 1911


Binding Phyllis G -|Mother Binding - Portsmouth 2b 924

Looking at the birth record, you will only find out who her mother was

These are all the female Bindings in Portsmouth as per 1911 census


Household BINDING, Dorothy 1902 9 F Portsmouth Hampshire VIEW VIEW
Household BINDING, Lena 1896 15 F Portsmouth Hampshire VIEW VIEW
Household BINDING, Lilian 1900 11 F Portsmouth Hampshire VIEW VIEW
Household BINDING, Maud May 1888 23 F Portsmouth Hampshire VIEW VIEW
Household BINDING, Natalie 1906 5 F Portsmouth Hampshire VIEW

Only one is a feasible parent for the child born at the end of the year................viz


SHAW, Charles Henry Head Married M 36 1875 Engine Driver Sheffield VIEW
SHAW, Edith Mary Wife Married7 years F 30 1881 Walchet Som VIEW
SHAW, Ralph Frederick Son M 5 1906 Walchet VIEW
SHAW, Iris Maud Daughter F 3 1908 Walchet VIEW
SHAW, Charles Alfred Son M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Portsea Porth VIEW
BINDING, Maud May Sister In Law Single F 23 1888 Watchet VIEW

This seems to be the only likely mother if indeed the mother was living in Prtsmouth at the time of the 1911 census.

Name: Maud May Binding
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Watchet
Civil parish: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 50 King St, Portsea, Portsmouth
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: Portsea and Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 5584
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Henry Shaw 36
Edith Mary Shaw 30
Ralph Frederick Shaw 5
Iris Maud Shaw
Charles Alfred Shaw 3/12
Maud May Binding 23

Births Jun 1888 -

BINDING Maud May - Williton - 5c 273

1891 England Census

Name: Maud M Binding
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred Binding
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Binding
Gender: Female
Where born: Watchet, Somerset, England
Civil parish: St Decumans
Ecclesiastical parish: St Decumans
Town: Watchett
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Williton
Sub-registration district: Williton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1865
Folio: 30
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Binding 34
Elizabeth Binding 34
John Binding 14
James Binding 12
Edith M Binding 10
Sidney Binding 7
Harold Binding 5
Maud M Binding 3
James Taylor 74

The only way to be sure is to invest £9.25 in Phyllis's birth cert...............

1901 England Census

Name: Maud Binding
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Watchet, Somerset, England
Civil parish: St Decumans
Ecclesiastical parish: St Decumans
Town: Watchet
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England


Registration district: Williton
Sub-registration district: Williton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 2263
Folio: 31
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah I Morse 32
Alfred L Morse 8
Soloutha Morse 7
Annie E Morse 5
Maud Binding 12

I would have thought that Lena would also be a possible Reggie as she would have been almost 16 when the child was born? - Not unheard of for an 'unmarried mother' ?

1911:

BINDING, George Head Widower M 44 1867 General Labourer Weston S Mare Somerset VIEW
BINDING, Lena Daughter Single F 15 1896 Cardiff S Wales VIEW
BINDING, Lilian Daughter F 11 1900 Cardiff S Wales VIEW
BINDING, Dorothy Daughter F 9 1902 Cardiff S Wales VIEW
BINDING, Natalie Daughter F 5 1906 Pietermaritzburg Natal S Africa VIEW
BINDING, Roy Son M 3 1908 Pietermaritzburg Natal S Africa VIEW
BINDING, Leslie Son M 1 1910 Harrismith of State S Africa VIEW



Reference: RG14PN5573 RG78PN253 RD90 SD3 ED13 SN303


Address: 65 Craswell Street Landport Portsmouth

County: Hampshire


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Lena Margaret C Binding
Name: Lena Margaret C Binding
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 314

Dea x

I wondered about that one too Dea. The thing putting me off was that the 1 year old son was born in South Africa so probably the family weren't long back in England.

It doesn't take long to 'have a fling' Rootgatherer ;-)

If the child were born towards the end of the December Quarter, it may only just have been conceived at the time the census was taken!

Mind you, the birth cert is essential here as the mother may not even have been in the Portsmouth area before the birth took place - she could well have travelled from anywhere.

Dea x

But who's to say the baby wasn't conceived in SA?

Could have passed morning sickness of as sea sickness!

Really need the cert.

George's Army records (Lena's father) show him to be back on British soil on 1st February, 1911. - Plenty of time............... ;-)

Dea x

I latched on to Maud as she was living away from 'home', although still with a family member, and was not recorded as having an occupation.

BUT......anything any of us posts is speculative...........the birth cert is absolutely essential

You will note that Lena had a sister Dorothy and her other sister Natalie had the middle name of Gwendolyn ???.

If the 2 births found are to the same mother (the one we are seeking), then one was Dorothy (1916) and the other (1911) had the middle name of Gwendolyn. - Coincidence ?????

Dea x

Yes, Maud does seem a good candidate for those very reasons Reggie but without the cert it will be impossible to know.

Dea x

Dea i think you should change your board name to "Madame Clouseau"! :-D

It's all guesswork though - there are good reasons for suspecting both of these girls but we need to prove it!

It will probably end up being neither of them !

Dea Xxx :-D