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1851 living in Bytham Lincolnshire

Robert Birtwell 43
Mary Birtwell 32
Isaac Birtwell 13
Margret Birtwell 6
William Clark 29
Robert Hall 54
William Porter 23

all Birtwells born Accrington

I know it usually means that on a marriage record but is it the same on a baptism Reggie?

The eldest son in 1871 Isaac (see above) is shown as having mmn = Monk

1861
BIRTWELL, Robert Head Married M 44 1817 Gate Keeper
Accrington, Lancashire
BIRTWELL, Mary Wife Married F 43 1818 Gate Keeper Wife
Accrington, Lancashire
BIRTWELL, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 Scholar (Lincolnshire Bitham)
BIRTWELL, Richard Son M 6 1855 Scholar (Middx. Islington)
BIRTWELL, Thomas Son M 3 1858 Scholar
Cambridgeshire March
BIRTWELL, James M 0 (9M) 1861
Cambridgeshire March
Piece: 1044
Folio: 55
Page: 18
Registration District: North Witchford
Civil Parish: March
Municipal Borough:
Address: Chain Road, March
County: Cambridgeshire

1871
BIRTWELL, Robert Head M 54 1817 Lancashire
BIRTWELL, Mary Wife F 53 1818 Lancashire
BIRTWELL, Richard Son M 16 1855 London
BIRTWELL, Thomas Son M 13 1858 Cambridgeshire
BIRTWELL, James Son M 10 1861 Cambridgeshire
BIRTWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 19 1852 Lincolnshire
BIRTWELL, Isaac Son M 30 1841 Lancashire
BIRTWELL, Elizabeth Daughter-In-Law F 21 1850 Middlesex
BIRTWELL, Helen Granddaughter F 5 1866 Middlesex
Piece: 1610
Folio: 55
Page: 8
Registration District: North Witchford
Civil Parish: March
Municipal Borough:
Address: Wisbech Road (Railway Gate House), March
County: Cambridgeshire

Chris :)

Burial
Forenames:Robert
Surname:Birtwell
Residence:Wisbech Road
Day:7
Month:Oct
Year:1875
Age:58
Notes:
Parish:March, Station Road Cemetery
County:Cambridgeshire
Grave details:J 104
Record source:Cambridgeshire Burials

son Isaac's birth in Acrington showing mmn of Monk

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1839
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BERTWELL Isaac Accrington Preston MONK ACC/2/18

possibly married pre 1837

Can someone tell me what the use of the word late signify when placed after the mothers forename in the example below?

Baptism
Day:22
Month:Jul
Year:1860
Forenames:James
Surname:BIRTWELL
Relationship:of
Father forenames:Robert
Fathers occupation:lab

??? Mother forenames:Mary late MONK ???

Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:
Place:March
County:Cambridgeshire,England
Record source:Cambridgeshire Baptisms

I ask because I am having difficulty tracing the parents marriage using the spouse name of Monk

Regards,

James

Thanks Charles,

Managed to track the details down with help from earlier contributions and confirmation of the details on lancashirebmd.org.uk, and also found other relations as well, an excellent result which is down to the help I was given by everyone.

Regards,

James

James

The only way I know of getting further details is to request a copy of the actual certificate, this should give details fo the exact date and place fo birth, parents etc.. Unfortunately you would have to pay for the certifictae. Other ways are to use sites that show other member tres and maybe you will find a record on the site and a n image of the actual certificate.
Good luck Charlie

Thanks LindaB,

Yes, found that out, I have been having a browse through them, very useful sites, pity there does not seem to be similar for Scottish Local Authorities.

Best Wishes.

Jim

Both Lancashire sites are free to use James :-D :-D

Linda

lancashireAnn and Chris Ho :)

Thank you both for your input, it is very much appreciated.

I will have a look at both lancashirebmd.org.uk and lan-opc.org.uk.

As a pensioner I am limited to what I can spend on searching some of these sites and as most of my ancestors are Scottish I tend to use most of my scarce resources on Scotlands People.

That said, none of them could give the kind of assistance and help in the friendly way that you and others provide to people on this site.

My Best Regards,

James

Baptism
Day:22
Month:Jul
Year:1860
Forenames:James
Surname:BIRTWELL
Relationship:of
Father forenames:Robert
Fathers occupation:lab
Mother forenames:Mary late MONK
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:
Place:March
County:Cambridgeshire,England
Record source:Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Chris :)

Baptisms: 9 Jun 1887 St James, Accrington, Lancashire, England
Martha Ann Ollett - Child of John Ollett & Susan Emily
Born: 1 Jun 1887
Abode: 14, Stanley Street
Occupation: Iron Turner
Baptised by: J. P. Petty
Register: Baptisms 1880 - 1889, Page 376, Entry 2980
Source: LDS Film 1278944

have you used lancashirebmd.org.uk and lan-opc.org.uk James? there is a lot of info useful to you on there

eg

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BIRTWELL Isaac Accrington Preston CLAYTON ACC/78/36


Marriage: 12 Jun 1881 St John the Evangelist, Accrington, Lancashire, England
James Birtwell - 20 Labourer Bachelor of Robert Street
Annie Clayton - 21 Winder Spinster of Edmund Street
Groom's Father: Robert Birtwell, Labourer
Bride's Father: Miles Clayton, Weaver
Witness: John Ford; Mary Alice Watson
Married by Certificate by: J. Ormandy Vicar
Register: Marriages 1871 - 1887, Page 144, Entry 288
Source: LDS Film 1470821

Thanks Linda, Maddie, and safc,

I think you have solved it, I was looking at the 1911 census but Robert Birtwell who married Martha Ann Ollett was not living at his parents house at the time of the 1911 census so I did not pick him up as a son of James and Annie Birtwell.

Many thanks for all your assistance,

Regards,

James

could this be Mary Alice

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BIRTWELL Mary Alice Accrington Preston OLLETT ACC/116/38

could this be linked
MarriageFinder™: Robert Birtwell married Martha Ann Ollett [?]

Name: BIRTWELL, Robert

Registration district: [?] Haslingden

County: Lancashire

Year of registration: 1908

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 8E

Page no: [?] 131
View the original image

Name: OLLETT, Martha Ann

Registration district: Haslingden

County: Lancashire

Year of registration: 1908

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912

Volume no: 8E

Page no: 131

1911
BIRTWELL, Robert Head Married M 23 1888 Grocer's Assistant Lancashire Accrington VIEW
BIRTWELL, Martha Ann Wife Married3 years F 23 1888 Winder In Cotton Mill Lancashire Accrington VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 25133

Reference: RG14PN25133 RG78PN1438 RD474 SD7 ED13 SN193

Registration District: Blackburn

Sub District: Oswaldtwistle

Enumeration District: 13

Parish: Church

Address: 12 George St Church

County: Lancashire

Lancashire bmd...

BIRTWELL Robert

OLLETT Martha Ann

Accrington, Christ Church Preston

CE8/4/85

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

????

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
BIRTWELL Robert Haslingden 8e 131
Ollett Martha Ann Haslingden 8e 131

????

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BIRTWELL Mary Alice Accrington Preston OLLETT ACC/116/38

Thanks Penny & Maddie,

it was the ones below in the 1911 Census that are the branch of my family yhay I am dealing with, Charles Henry Birtwell was my uncle.

BIRTWELL, James Head Married28 years M 50 1861 Tinplate Workers Labourer March Cambridgeshire VIEW
BIRTWELL, Annie Wife F 50 1861 Accrington Lancashire VIEW
BIRTWELL, Rose Daughter Single F 18 1893 Cotton Weaver Accrington Lancashire VIEW
BIRTWELL, Isaac Son Single M 20 1891 Tinplate Worker Accrington Lancashire VIEW
BIRTWELL, Alice Ann Daughter F 12 1899 School Accrington Lancashire VIEW
BIRTWELL, Charles Henry Son M 10 1901 Accrington Lancashire VIEW

??? BIRTWELL, Mary Alice Granddaughter F 2 1909 Accrington Lancashire ???

James

nice one Maddie, MARY Alice, not Alice!