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Dolly and Michie Hilton birth record please

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Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 16:11

Good afternoon
I have found the above in the 1911 census (ref. RG14, 2417), born 1909. I assume they were twins as they were both 2 years old, although this may not have been the case. I have obtained the death certificate for Dolly in 1911, her full name being Dorothy Lily Hilton. I believe Michie's name was actually Michael. Their parents were Alfred James Hilton (b 1873 in Merton) and Elizabeth Sarah Fuller (b 1870 in Wandsworth).
My problem is that I cannot find either Dorothy's or Michael's birth or baptism references. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Ron

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 13 Oct 2012 16:14

London baptisms on Ancestry stop at 1906


Have you checked the image to see if age is 2 years or 2 months

Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 16:19

Hi GlitterBaby
The Death cert. says 2 years. The register also says 2 years

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Oct 2012 16:21

Image is clearly 2 yrs for each chlid

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Oct 2012 16:26

Deaths Jun 1911 (>99%)
Hilton Dorothy L 2 Wandsworth 1d 323

Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 16:27

Someone else is researching this family and has shown Michael as dying in about 1984 but with no source information. I can't find his death either. Odd.

Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 16:29

Reggie
Yes that's correct. It's the record from which I obtained the certificate

Astra

Astra Report 13 Oct 2012 16:38

There is a Lilian and a Walter registered in December quarter 1908

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)

Hilton Lilian Wandsworth 1d 697

Hilton Walter Wandsworth 1d 697

Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 16:46

Thanks Astra
They could be possibilities. Shame they weren't born a little later to show mother's maiden name. If nothing else comes up I will have to order a certificate of one or the other.

jansmith

jansmith Report 13 Oct 2012 16:55

?? DEATH INDEX FOR A WALTER

Name: HILTON, Walter
Registration district: Wandsworth
County: London
Year of registration: 1986
Month of registration: February
Date of birth: 29 August 1908
Volume no: 15
Page no: 1048
Reg no: 286

Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 16:55

Astra
There's also a death for Walter in 1986, so you may be on to something

Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 16:57

Thanks Jan. Sorry our posts must have crossed!

jansmith

jansmith Report 13 Oct 2012 16:58

If this is a match then Dorothy(Lilian ) wouldn't have had her 3rd birthday so could be the right birth index

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2012 16:58

When Alfred James Hilton enlisted in 1915 he claimed to have only three children:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Alfred James Hilton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Age at enlistment: 44
Residence: 137 Garrett Lane, Wandsworth (Matches the 1911)
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 11726
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of images: 2

Occupation labourer.

Wife stated as Elizabeth Sarah Fuller, married 12 September 1890 in Wandsworth. Doesn't state his wife was deceased.

Children listed as:

Jane - 26 Nov 1900
Ernest - 12 August 1904
Walter - 29 Aug 1908


Astra

Astra Report 13 Oct 2012 17:00

When did Sarah die. The only death I can find is for a 66 year old in 1910 in Wandsworth. Is that her with the age mistranscribed?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2012 17:07

Original of the 1911 says that he'd had 12 children but 5 had died.

HILTON, Alfred Head Widower M 39 1872 Navvy Labourer Merton
HILTON, Lezzie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Laundress Wandsworth
HILTON, Jack Son Single M 15 1896 Wandsworth
HILTON, William Son M 13 1898 Wandsworth
HILTON, Ernest Son M 7 1904 Wandsworth
HILTON, Maude Daughter F 9 1902 Wandsworth
HILTON, Michie Son M 2 1909 Wandsworth
HILTON, Dolly Daughter F 2 1909 Wandsworth
WEEKLY, Alfred Lodger Single M 30 1881 Street Hawker Merton
FULLER, Maude Visitor Single F 38 1873 Charwoman Westminster

RG number: RG14 Piece: 2417
Reference: RG14PN2417 RG78PN80 RD26 SD7 ED26 SN315
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub District: Southfields
Enumeration District: 26
Parish: Wandsworth

Address: 137 Garratt Lane Wandsworth County: London

EDIT: Have amended my note about the number of children as I did the wrong sum! Oddly, on the original form he has written that he is married but someone else has altered that to widower.

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 13 Oct 2012 17:09

Just looking at the 1911 census, MC, and it looks as if there were 12 children born to marriage (7 living and 5 dead).

Ronald

Ronald Report 13 Oct 2012 17:12

Astra
It's possible as I've not been able to find her death myself. Is the death you've found for Sarah or Elizabeth Sarah Hilton? The 1911 census for her husband is difficult to read but it looks as if the enumerator (sorry , William himself as it's the 1911?) initially wrote married and then wrote 'widow' I think.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2012 17:13

LB - yes I realised that and have already amended my post!

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 13 Oct 2012 17:13

The Army records gives 137 Garratt Lane Wandsworth as the address the same as 1911 census

As MC says only 3 children are listed

Jane or James b 26 Nov 1900
Ernest b 12 Aug 1904
Walter b 29 Aug 1908

Marriage took place 12 Sept 1890