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I don't know what to make of this.

Note Emma Jane 'Linger' has been married for 11 yrs, is born Devizes c1880 and has a daughter called Rose Emily born Bath 1901.

From the image it is Henry Thomas Linger she is married to, and there have been two children supposedly born of the 11 yr marriage, one living and one deceased.

The co-incidence of the two names and birthyears and places tallying, not to mention the move to Wales, seems quite a co-incidence.

Maybe Emily/Emma married Mr Millard, then eloped with Mr Linger, who couldn't marry her because she was already married?


Census 1911

Address: 24 Berw Road Pontypridd County: Glamorganshire


>>LINGER, Emma Jane Apartments Married 11 years F 31 1880 Davizes Wiltshire
>>LINGER, Rose Emily Apartments Single F 10 1901 Bath Somerset
WALKERS, Emma Head Single F 65 1846 Abercynon Glam
GODFREY, James Boarder Single M 28 1883 Railway Porter Somerset Bristol
LINGER, Henry Thomas Apartments Married M 28 1883 Cellerman Bath Somerset

I can't find a birth for a Rose Linger in Bath, not can I find a marriage for a Henry Linger to an Emma or Emily.

Just to confuse the issue further.... ;-)

EDIT: Linger on the transcription, could just as easily be Singer on the image..
Again, no birth for a Rose Emily Singer, or a marriage for Henry Singer.

This is how it's transcribed on Ancestry:

1911 Wales Census
about Emma Jane Singes Name: Emma Jane Singes
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Apartments
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Deviyes, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Pontypridd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 24 Berw Road Pontypridd Glam
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 11
Estimated Marriage Year: 1900
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 182
Piece: 32264
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Walters 65
James Godfray 23
Henry Thomas Singes 28
Emma Jane Singes 31
Rose Emily Singes 10

Can anyone find BMD refs for the Mabel May Lampard and Emily/Emma [Jane] Lampard posted in census material on this thread?

If the parents only married in 1881 then Emily may have been born pre marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
Ball Mary Susanna Devizes 5a 175
LAMPARD George Stephen Devizes 5a 175

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
BALL Emma Jane Devizes 5a 109


1851?

Name: Emma J. Ball
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Ball
Gender: Female
Where born: Devizes Union, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Chirton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address: Cottage
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Devizes
Sub-registration district: Devizes
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2041
Folio: 76
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ball 31
Edith Ball 2
Emma J. Ball 1

Terry

If you don't have Rose's birth cert.......you need it.

Thanx again every1. I will def try to get hold of the bith certsb for my mum & hers. It is quite poss she was transcribbed wrong from emily to emma so that is def a thot. I know I called her nana Emily and my wife met her so she died when i was an adult. She married Edward H Phillips (Ted) but he was not my mums dad. My mum was 15 when they married. I know spinster was on Emily J Lampard's marriage cert but i only have half of it for some reason. I know my mum was def born in Bath in 1901 under Millard but she never knew her dad and I was told he wouldnt marry Emily but ???? :-S I know Emily had a sister mable who had a son about 10 yrs younger than my mum, or at least thats what we think from the letters I have. :-S I have a freind who is a registra but on hols this week so when she is home I will go to see her to see if she can get the certs & untangle this mess.

Sorry to be a pain but I should add that my wife says that Emily and Ted both moved here to Llanelli (Llanelly) and ted died here in 1958. When i checked up there are 2 deaths in Llanelly in 1956 & 1957 for a Emily phillips. That corresponds to my wife knowing her as we got together around 1956.

I did try to work out if she had married a millard and found emma lampard 1900 in bath but when i looked back to her birth in wilts she was emma henrietta so that can not be her. i thought that maybe emma & emily had got mixed up on the register but she had jayne has a middle name

Terry,

The Emma who married Frederick Millard is called Emily in census 1901 when she is living with him.

I strongly suspect that Emily was fibbing when she described herself as a spinster when she married in 1916, and had not only been married to Frederick Millard, but possibly also lived as 'man and wife' with Henry Thomas L/Singer.