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Terry,

The Emma who married Frederick Millard is called Emily in census 1901 when she is living with him.

I strongly suspect that Emily was fibbing when she described herself as a spinster when she married in 1916, and had not only been married to Frederick Millard, but possibly also lived as 'man and wife' with Henry Thomas L/Singer.

I did try to work out if she had married a millard and found emma lampard 1900 in bath but when i looked back to her birth in wilts she was emma henrietta so that can not be her. i thought that maybe emma & emily had got mixed up on the register but she had jayne has a middle name

Sorry to be a pain but I should add that my wife says that Emily and Ted both moved here to Llanelli (Llanelly) and ted died here in 1958. When i checked up there are 2 deaths in Llanelly in 1956 & 1957 for a Emily phillips. That corresponds to my wife knowing her as we got together around 1956.

Thanx again every1. I will def try to get hold of the bith certsb for my mum & hers. It is quite poss she was transcribbed wrong from emily to emma so that is def a thot. I know I called her nana Emily and my wife met her so she died when i was an adult. She married Edward H Phillips (Ted) but he was not my mums dad. My mum was 15 when they married. I know spinster was on Emily J Lampard's marriage cert but i only have half of it for some reason. I know my mum was def born in Bath in 1901 under Millard but she never knew her dad and I was told he wouldnt marry Emily but ???? :-S I know Emily had a sister mable who had a son about 10 yrs younger than my mum, or at least thats what we think from the letters I have. :-S I have a freind who is a registra but on hols this week so when she is home I will go to see her to see if she can get the certs & untangle this mess.

Terry

If you don't have Rose's birth cert.......you need it.

If the parents only married in 1881 then Emily may have been born pre marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
Ball Mary Susanna Devizes 5a 175
LAMPARD George Stephen Devizes 5a 175

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
BALL Emma Jane Devizes 5a 109


1851?

Name: Emma J. Ball
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Ball
Gender: Female
Where born: Devizes Union, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Chirton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address: Cottage
Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Devizes
Sub-registration district: Devizes
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2041
Folio: 76
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ball 31
Edith Ball 2
Emma J. Ball 1

Can anyone find BMD refs for the Mabel May Lampard and Emily/Emma [Jane] Lampard posted in census material on this thread?

This is how it's transcribed on Ancestry:

1911 Wales Census
about Emma Jane Singes Name: Emma Jane Singes
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Apartments
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Deviyes, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Pontypridd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 24 Berw Road Pontypridd Glam
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 11
Estimated Marriage Year: 1900
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 182
Piece: 32264
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Walters 65
James Godfray 23
Henry Thomas Singes 28
Emma Jane Singes 31
Rose Emily Singes 10

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I don't know what to make of this.

Note Emma Jane 'Linger' has been married for 11 yrs, is born Devizes c1880 and has a daughter called Rose Emily born Bath 1901.

From the image it is Henry Thomas Linger she is married to, and there have been two children supposedly born of the 11 yr marriage, one living and one deceased.

The co-incidence of the two names and birthyears and places tallying, not to mention the move to Wales, seems quite a co-incidence.

Maybe Emily/Emma married Mr Millard, then eloped with Mr Linger, who couldn't marry her because she was already married?


Census 1911

Address: 24 Berw Road Pontypridd County: Glamorganshire


>>LINGER, Emma Jane Apartments Married 11 years F 31 1880 Davizes Wiltshire
>>LINGER, Rose Emily Apartments Single F 10 1901 Bath Somerset
WALKERS, Emma Head Single F 65 1846 Abercynon Glam
GODFREY, James Boarder Single M 28 1883 Railway Porter Somerset Bristol
LINGER, Henry Thomas Apartments Married M 28 1883 Cellerman Bath Somerset

I can't find a birth for a Rose Linger in Bath, not can I find a marriage for a Henry Linger to an Emma or Emily.

Just to confuse the issue further.... ;-)

EDIT: Linger on the transcription, could just as easily be Singer on the image..
Again, no birth for a Rose Emily Singer, or a marriage for Henry Singer.

Thanx again every1 as I am usless at this. It is possible she could have been emma by mistake. I have only half her marriage cert so dont know much details. she was def emily jayne on that. I know her sister Mable had a boy at some point as we have a photo of him on a lovely rocking horse, he was about 5 then. This would have been taken before my mum got married & still lived at home but after she was 15 as the name ted is on the postcard photo and he married Emily when my mum was 15. So i think mable maybe younger also they did not move to wales with Emily. :-S

By 1911 Mabel appears to have had her own daughter and they are listed as boarders with this famliy

1911

Name: Mabel May Lampard
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Britford, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Donhead St Andrew
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: Overway, Donhead St Andrew, Wilts
Registration district: Tisbury
Registration District Number: 255
Sub-registration district: Donhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 128
Piece: 12139
Household Members:
Name Age
Henery Farr 38
Anna Mary Farr 55
Albert Edden Snoad 14
Mabel May Lampard 23
Kathleen May Lampard 3 b Basingstoke Hampshire

Note in Margee's 1891 census EMMA, as per the 1901 Marriage entry, is born same yr and Location as EMILY as per 1901 census Reggie & I both posted, so she seems to have either used Emma and Emily interchangeably, or she got mistranscribed from time to time.

Same family in 1901, Emily is missing:

1901 England Census
about Mabel Lampard Name: Mabel Lampard
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Lampard
Mother's name: Mary Lampard
Gender: Female
Where born: Wootton Bassett, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Upton Scudamore
Ecclesiastical parish: Upton Scudamore
Town: Upton Scudamore
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration district: Warminster
Sub-registration district: Warminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 1941
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
George Lampard 54
Mary Lampard 55
William Lampard 18
Henry Lampard 16
Mabel Lampard 13

This one has a sister Mabel:

1891 England Census
about Emma Lanpard Name: Emma Lanpard
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Lanpard
Mother's name: Mary Lanpard
Gender: Female
Where born: Devizes, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Walcot
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1934
Folio: 83
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
George Lanpard 44
Mary Lanpard 45
Emma Lanpard 11
William Lanpard 8
Henry Lanpard 5
Mabel Lanpard 3
Laina Lanpard 28
Alfred Lanpard 7

Thanx every1 for your help. The full info i have so far is that my mum was def born in B& named Rose Mmily Mable Millard. She never met her dad as he would not marry her mum. Her mum was Emily J Lampard who came to Pembrokshire & married Thomas Edward Pillips (we called him Ted) in 1916 and he died in 1957. My mum would have been about 15years old when they married and she too became phillips. She then married my dad Charles Durant Welch here in Llanelli in 1922. He had been adopted by his uncle charles Durant in Llanelli but he was born in Stockport to Alferd Welch & Margaret Ann Durant who died in childbirth. We believe from photos & they way my mum had been dressed as a child that they were not too bad off. We think that Emily had possibly been in service & who ever made her pregnant payed towards my mum Rose but would not marry her. Where Emily comes from or where she was born i have no clue. I have tried the census ect but I am still confussed here atmo so all your help is very much appreciated. It's silly buit these things were just not talked about in my childhood and now both my parent & brothers are dead I am now at a loss to find my past. I have a post card from a Mable addressed to her sister Emily & Ted & asks how my mum Rose is & the postcard is a photo of her son but she does not say his name so we mite have some descendants left that we do not know. I beleive that my grampa Alfred Welch might have got remarried so we might have some family there too. God this is confussing but interesting. thanx.

On that 1901 census for Fred & Emily the original is Millard not Mellard. Emily was born Devizes, Wiltshire.

You really need to get the 1916 marriage cert.............so that you know how old she said she was.....and her father's details

1901 England Census

Name: Frederick Mellard
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Mellard
Gender: Male
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Bath
Ecclesiastical parish: St Swithin
Town: Bath
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England


Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Walcot
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26A
Piece: 2341
Folio: 56
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Mellard 24
Emily Mellard 21 born Devizes. Wiltshire

1901 England Census about Caroline Millard
Name: Caroline Millard
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Bath
Ecclesiastical parish: Bathwick St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Bathwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2336
Folio: 8
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Millard 55
Alice A Millard 26

1901.

Note wife is EMILY (as per op), not Emma as per marriage index, though that marriage ref has to be the right one :

Name: Frederick Mellard
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Mellard
Gender: Male
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Bath
Ecclesiastical parish: St Swithin
Town: Bath
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Walcot
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26A
Piece: 2341
Folio: 56
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Mellard 24 1877 Bath, Somerset, England Draper porter
Emily Mellard 21 c1880 Devizes, Wiltshire, England

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