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Thanks Gins for all this. Just been looking in to Emily's family - there's a lot of them! As for the Charles record, I saw that one as well as the following who is different to the Charles and Elizabeth you posted.


1881 England Census about Charles Mortimer
Name: Charles Mortimer
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mortimer
Gender: Male
Where born: Fareham, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Grace Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Laborer
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 1703
Folio: 144
Page Number: 16
Household Members:

Charles Mortimer 36
Elizabeth Mortimer 38

Marriages Dec 1868
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Bates Elizabeth H Hempstead 3a 508
Mortimore Charles Hemel Hempstead 3a 508



1871 England Census
Name: Charles Mortimer
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mortimer
Gender: Male
Where born: Andover, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Hemel Hempstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hemel Hempstead
Sub-registration district: Hemel Hempstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 124
Piece: 1387
Folio: 33
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Mortimer 24
Elizabeth Mortimer 22
Mary Bates 47
Jane Bates 20


1881 England Census
Name: Charles Mortimore
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mortimore
Gender: Male
Where born: Andover, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 17 Henry St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: House Painter

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 161
Folio: 46
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Mortimore 34
Elizabeth Mortimore 32
Jane Mortimore 7
Charles Mortimore 4
Ellen Mortimore 1
Mary Bates 55
Mary Flinn 58
Margaret Flinn 52

1891 England Census
Name: Charles Mortimer
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mortimer
Gender: Male
Where born: Andover, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 103
Folio: 145
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Mortimer 44
Elizabeth Mortimer 42
Martha J Mortimer 17
Charles Mortimer 14
Ellen Mortimer 11
William Mortimer 9
Lily Mortimer 4
Mary Bates 65

1901 England Census
about Charles Mortimore
Name: Charles Mortimore
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mortimore
Gender: Male
Where born: Andover, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 117
Folio: 37
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Mortimore 54
Elizabeth Mortimore 52
Lily L Mortimore 14
Mary Bates 76


1911 England Census
about Charles Mortimore
Name: Charles Mortimore
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Over, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 45 Charlbert Street N W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: GROCER
Registration district: St Marylebone
Registration District Number: 7
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 581
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Mortimore 64
Elizabeth Mortimore 62
William Mortimore 29
Lily Louisa Mortimore


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Charles Mortimore
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1911
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: St Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 722



I cant see a birth in Hampshire give or take a few years either side of 1847, only your Charles in 1849, so the above looks promising. However, there is a 1861 census record for a man with the same details - parents John & Louise?

Marriage certifcate will confirm either way

Almost a full house! I'll leave you to find the other censuses and deaths etc......


Marriages Jun 1871
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Mortimore Emily Fareham 2b 859
SCOTT John Fareham 2b 859



1891 England Census
Name: Emily Scott
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Scott
Gender: Female
Where born: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 242
Folio: 68
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
John Scott 44
Emily Scott 36
Alice Scott 17
Amelia Scott 11
Clara Scott 1


1901 England Census
Name: Emily Scott
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Spouse's Name: John Scott
Gender: Female
Where born: Otterborne, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Wickham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1016
Folio: 167
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Simpson 78
John Scott 54
Emily Scott 47
Clara Scott 11

So Harry and Mary have been located so just Richard, Charles and Emily to go! Thanks for all your help Gins! I think I will take your advise and come back to it with fresh eyes tomorrow!

'Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them'

Albert Einstein


In other words, I need to step back and revisit this tomorrow



'I'll be back'

Arnold Schwarzenegger

They wouldnt have been able to read or write so the spelling would be ad hoc!

So are we just looking for Richard, Charles and Emily now?


They have to be hiding out somewhere!

Excellent! Thanks Gins! I'm getting excited now. Looks like they changed the spelling of their name from what they were originally - seems quite consistently spelled Mortemore/Mortimore

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Sarah Ann Lowe <<Widow
Spouse Name: Henry Mortemore <<Labourer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jun 1872
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Spouse Father Name: Richard Mortemore<<Labourer
Her father: John Little
Register Type: Parish Register

Wit: Sarah Smith & Thomas Scott

BINGO!

1881 England Census
Name: Mary Mortimore
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Allbrook, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 130 Stoke Newington (High Street)
Occupation: General Serv

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 288
Folio: 35
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Row 47
Anne Row 45
Robert H. Row 18
Annie Row 18
Letitia M. Row 8
Emma J. Row 6
Mary Mortimore 23
George Richardson 19
Charles Richardson 14


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Mary Mortimore
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Age: 26
Spouse Name: William Dawson <<Mail driver
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Jan 1884
Parish: Bethnal Green St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Mortimore <<Labourer, deceased
Spouse Father Name: John Dawson
Register Type: Parish Register

1891 England Census
Name: Mary Dawson
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Dawson <<Mail driver
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 242
Folio: 68
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
William Dawson 31
Mary Dawson 34
Annie Dawson 4
George Barnes 24

1901 England Census
Name: Mary Dawson
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Piece: 268
Folio: 99
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
William Dawson 41
Mary Dawson 43
Annie Dawson 14
Lily Dawson 5
Henry J Gaylor 48
George White 37

1911 England Census
Name: Mary Dawson
Age in 1911: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 69 Langbourne Buildings, Mark Street
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 1324
Household Members: Name Age
William Dawson 51 <<Mail driver
Mary Dawson 54
Annie M Dawson 24
Lilian Dawson 15

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Mary Dawson
Birth Date: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1921
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 56

I think you might be right. Just been researching Harry and it's definitely him - one of his sons mentioned Allbrook, Hampshire in a later census which is where the family lived (although that Albert Harry was actually born in London). Albert Harry's daughter Amy married an Australian and emigrated there. So I wondered whether she met this Australian because her other relatives had gone to Australia perhaps?

Sarah

You need those death and marriage certs


............for a lead

Wow thanks for the marriage - now I can see why I couldn't find it - a different surname variation. The father is Richard so that looks promising that this is my Harry! Yay! One child located now just the others to find!

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Henry Mortemore (Bachelor)
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Sarah Ann Lowe (Widow)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jun 1872
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Richard Mortemore (Labourer)
Register Type: Parish Register


Bride's father - John Little (Turncock)

Witnesses - Thomas Little and Sarah Scott

Groom's address - Stoke Newington
Bride's address - Brook Street

If that Richard Mortimer record you found is him, perhaps he was the first to go and the others followed when they were a bit older? Also possible they went to a country we cannot get information for. Not sure how to move forward with this!

I can't understand why all the children would disappear?

I'm starting to think they all went overseas, maybe to a country that we dont have access to online?

Must have posted that at the same time. The date for the passenger list for Richard Mortimer would work out for him - year of birth is right and would explain why can't find him after 1861 census.

Thanks for that - that rules him out then!

I have no idea where the children went. It seems really strange for them all to disappear yet the parents remain in the area.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Richard Mortimer <<<<<<<<<Butcher
Name: Richard Mortimer
Arrival Date: 4 Dec 1866
Birth Year: abt 1846
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Cella

Post the details for the 'Richard' marriage and I'll take a look


Edit: Father, Philip, mother Margaret

I've been looking in to the Hacknay Harry and I managed to find him on 1891 and 1881 census too living with a Sarah as his wife. I haven't been able to find a marriage for them. The other census don't shed any light on his birthplace - they just state Hampshire. They have two children according to census and looks like Sarah was married before - I think to a William Lowe but haven't been able to find anything else to confirm this is my Harry - dates work out though.

Yes the others are very elusive - I haven't been able to find any deaths for them. I did check at the record office too for burials in the area they lived but nothing jumped out at me.

As for the Richard Cousins, the Massachusetts one got married over there but I cannot view the details as I don't have workdwide subscription on Ancestry and FamilySearch doesn't have it either - wondered what the father's name was.