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I have been trying to trace my nan Ann Owen for sometime with no luck. I know she married Charles Manning and then Ettore (Francis) Fugazza and her dad's name was Robert a cabinet maker according to her marriage certificates.

Anyway talking to my dad he said she had a brother Robert. I have found a Robert Charles Owen born in Shoreditch about 1885. A cabinet maker. Married Amina Sarah Ann Spinks sept 1909.

Can anyone help me connect them, or even not connect them???

Thanks

Lynn

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Mary Ann Owen
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 21 Sep 1843
christening: 21 Jan 1844 SAINT LEONARDS,?SHOREDITCH,?LONDON,?ENGLAND
parents: Robert Owen,? Caroline


name: Mary Ann Owen
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 21 Jan 1844
baptism/christening place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 21 Sep 1843
father's name: Robert Owen
mother's name: Caroline
indexing project (batch) number: C04080-7
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 396240, 396241, 396242

Robert Charles Owen
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Shoreditch London,? London
census: 1911 Tottenham,? Tottenham,? Middlesex,? England


name: Robert Charles Owen
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 26
birthplace: Shoreditch London, London
record type: Household
registration district: Edmonton
sub-district: East Tottenham
parish: Tottenham
county: Middlesex

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Annie Agnes Owen
Name: Annie Agnes Owen
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1881
Father's Name: Robert Owen <<<Upholsterer
Mother's name: Sarah Owen
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers


Sorry, I think is wrong as she is with her family on the censuses and no brother Robert

How old was Ann when she married?? .........and who were the witnesses??

For INFO...................

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Manning Charles Edmonton 3a 982
Owen Ann Edmonton 3a 982
Rimmel Frederick Edmonton 3a 982
Stent Kate Edmonton 3a 982

Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
FUGAZZA Francis Holborn 1b 1271
MANNING Ann Holborn 1b 1271

According to her marriage she was born 1883c

1911 England Census
about Francis Fugazza
Name: Francis Fugazza
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 55 Taplow St, City Road
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Occupation: CABINET MAKER
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 1347
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Fugazza 32
Ann Fugazza 28 >>>>>>Born Oxton
Florence Fugazza 9
Georgina Brown 57

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Charles Manning
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 26
Spouse Name: Ann Owen
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Jul 1904
Parish: Tottenham Holy Trinity
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Charles Manning
Spouse Father Name: Robert Owen
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Albert Haynes and Anne Manning

Assume this is her?

1911 England Census
Name: Ann Fugazza
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oxton
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 55 Taplow St, City Road
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Registration district: Shoreditch

Francis Fugazza 32
Ann Fugazza 28
Florence Fugazza 9
Georgina Brown 57

The 1911 states born "Hoxton" on the image.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Robert Charles Owen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Amina Sarah Spinks
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1909
Parish: Hoxton Christ Church
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Robert Charles Owen************Cabinet Maker
Spouse Father Name: James Edward George Spinks
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses: J E G Spinks and Jane Rosina Chandler

Interesting that neither marriage has witnesses from the OWEN family

1911 England Census

Name: Robert Charles Owen
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Shoreditch, London, England
Civil parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 89 Philip Lane, Greyhound Rd, Tottenham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Cabinet Maker
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: East Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 247
Piece: 7326
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Charles Owen 26
Amina Sarah Ann Owen 26
Robert James Owen 4m

A couple of Ancestry trees have Robert junior, but no birth for him - must say I cannot see one either. Just wondering if he made up his father - and maybe so did Ann? Or they had a different birth name and their mother married Robert Owen.
It seems pretty likely they were related doesn't it.
Jan

Just to complicate life even more, this person has father Robert Charles Owen cabinet maker:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Daisy Owen
Name: Daisy Owen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Henry William Lowe
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1914
Parish: Tottenham Holy Trinity
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Robert Charles Owen
Spouse Father Name: Charles Joseph Lowe
Register Type: Parish Register

Can someone look at this 1911? It's the Daisy who married above.

Name for the address 42 Welsbourne Rd is something like Piscke. There is a Robert cabinet maker, at the bottom it says 'alias Owen'.

Jan

Found transcription:

1911 England Census

Name: Robert Puschke
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Koenigsberg, Prussia
Civil parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 42 Welbourne Road, Tottenham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 29
Estimated Marriage Year: 1882
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: East Tottenham

Robert Puschke 58
Ann Puschke 48
Daisy Puschke 21

Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
Puschke Daisy Shoreditch 1c 51

Just don't know!!


1901 England Census

Name: Robert C Puschke
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert C Puschke
Mother's name: Ann Puschke
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoxton, London, England

Civil parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: City Road

Robert C Puschke 47
Ann Puschke 37
Ann Puschke 19 Where born: Hoxton, London, England
Robert C Puschke 16
Florrce Puschke 13
Daisy Puschke 11
Alice Hambleton 19
Jennie Whittle 22

You know what, I think it might be the right family, at least for the Robert and Daisy above. On Robert Charles marriage cert he is living at 38 Welbourne Rd.
Jan