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I think so, Fugazza is Italian. The Owen's are now Prussian.
They all changed their names.

That's just my dad's side.

My husband often says which name do you want today. Now we have a new one. Oh nan....

Lynn :-D

It's been a pleasure, lots of fun for the gang unravelling this one! We always need a bit of luck though - if they hadn't been living at Daisy's address in 1911 I don't think we would ever have found them.
:-D
Looks like you have an interesting family to research!
jan

I will get certificate.

Thank you....Thank you....

I have been searching and searching....I couldn't understand why they did not exist anywhere. I kept saying I can find people I never met, but someone I did isn't there.

I even went to Bruce Castle museum, and apart from one entry in 1909 for a Robert Owen in Chesnut Street there was nothing. My dad insisted there was a big family but I couldn't find them.

All I can say is WOW!!!!

Blessings

Lynn :-D :-D :-D ;-)

I think that evidence is pretty overwhelming don't you? But I would suggest getting the birth cert for Ann Puschke to double-check.
Good luck!
Jan

So Florence Ashby seems to be a definite link between 'your' Ann Owen, and the Puschke aka Owen family that Brummiejan discovered. :-)

Also my Grandad used to say to my mum my nan was german. We just didn't know what he meant.

Lynn

This is making sense.. My nan's birthday (Ann Owen was Aug 1883) and a witness on her mariage certificate th Francis Fugazza in 1909 was F Ashby. :-D

One of the witnesses of the 1914 marriage of Daisy Owen to Henry William Lowe that Brummiejan posted was a Florence Ashby.


Name: OWEN, Florence
Registration district: Shoreditch
County: London
Year of registration: 1906
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1C
Page no: 110

MarriageFinder: Florence Owen married one of the following people:

RICH, Alice Margaret
DORE, Albert Ernest
>>>>ASHBY, John

NOTE the address in 1911 census below:

Address: 42 Wellbourne Road County: Middlesex

Married 4 yrs, 2 children, both still living.

ASHBY, John Head Married M 28 1883 Motor Driver Islington London
>>>ASHBY, Florence Wife Married4 years F 23 1888 Hoxton London
ASHBY, John Sydney Son M 3 1908 Dalston London
ASHBY, Voilet Daisily Daughter F 1 1910 Tottenham MX

Ties with the possible birth I posted earlier:

Births Sep 1887 PUSCHEE Florence Shoreditch 1c 88

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
about Daisy Owen
Name: Daisy Owen
Age: 3
Birth Date: 1889
School: Flint Street School
Borough: Southwark
Admission Date: 20 Sep 1892
Parent: Robert <<<<Aylebury Rd?

Notes: Flint Street School (0313) opened in or before 1873. Girls and Boys Departments were remodelled in 1873. Closed or reorganised in 194-
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV08/FLI/AD/009

Lynn, the above is my theory, but I do advise caution!
It all hinges on this: the address Daisy Webb gave on her marriage cert is 42 Welbourne Rd. The family at this address 1911 are those you see on the previous page. As you can see, the father Robert is a cabinet maker and has put 'alias Owen' on the entry.
I have a feeling it might well all hang together, but I am biased, so others can judge!
jan

The fourth child ??? (present in the 1901 census posted)

Births Sep 1887 PUSCHEE Florence Shoreditch 1c 88

Lynn....there may be more research into this

At the moment, my brain is 'fried' from a QCA visit today :-S


Dont put them in your tree yet!


Posting this to come back to later


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Robert Charles Puscher
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1885
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 83

Wow... thanks everyone!!!!! :-D

For what it's worth, I think Brummiejan is right , and the Puschke family is the 'Owen' family.

Census 1911

Name: Robert Puschke
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Koenigsberg, Prussia
Civil parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 42 Welbourne Road, Tottenham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 29
Estimated Marriage Year: 1882
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: East Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 7335

Household Members: Name Age
Robert Puschke 58 c1853 Koenigsberg, Prussia Cabinet maker
Ann Puschke 48 c1863 Walworth, London, England
Daisy Puschke 21 c1890 Hoxton, London, England French polisher

Married 29 years, 4 children, all living.

He's written the names as Puschke, but signed it Robert Puschke alias Owen, and then the 'alias Owen' has been lightly crossed through.

Can people please stop just throwing out other info on this family! It need confirming first.
They are easy to find 1911 if you look for the surname.
Jan

Sorry, I'm struggling with the 1911 census - street search doesn't come up wuth No 42.

1901 census

Name: Daisy Puschke
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert C Puschke
Mother's name: Ann Puschke
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoxton, London, England

Civil parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England


Household Members: Name Age
Robert C Puschke
47
Ann Puschke
37
Ann Puschke
19
Robert C Puschke
16
Florrce Puschke
13
Daisy Puschke
11
Alice Hambleton
19
Jennie Whittle
22

Kucinta, what I need is for you to check out that 1911 census for the Pushke family.

If I am right this might be Ann:

Name: Ann Puschke
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 79

Jan

Births Sep 1883 PUSCHKE Ann Shoreditch 1c 79