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Thank you so much for your help and the website. It's making more sense now. Death cert has to be incorrect.

Helen

All info unearthed to date shows William's parents to be William Grosert (or variants) and Euphemia, nee White, who was the grandmother of Emily White.

Death record info is only "as known"...............and informants can easily be wrong

This is so helpful, I am so grateful. I am trying to establish William's parents. Death record here in Australia says Euphenia Grosert and Emily White. It can't be right. There are a few Williams which makes me confused.

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Last name: Grossart(including variants)
Year of departure: 1926 to 1926
Destination country: Australia
Destination port: Brisbane

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Last
name First
name Year of
birth Departure Destination
country Destination
port Transcript Image
Sex year port
GROSERT A 1922 M 1926 London Australia Brisbane VIEW VIEW
GROSERT E A 1890 F 1926 London Australia Brisbane VIEW VIEW
GROSERT R 1925 M 1926 London Australia Brisbane VIEW VIEW
GROSERT W 1886 M 1926 London Australia Brisbane VIEW VIEW
GROSERT W 1914 M 1926 London Australia Brisbane VIEW VIEW
GROSERT W 1918 M 1926 London Australia Brisbane VIEW VIEW

OK...............now we understand.

Perhaps you don't know about freebmd.......where you could have checked for info about his marriage

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Put it in your favourites........you'll find it invaluable

maggie ann white married George Forster in 1891 Newcastle

Name: Maggie Forster
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Selkirk, Selkirkshire, Scotland
Civil parish: St John Westgate
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 11 Blandford Street
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 30635
Household Members:
Name Age
George Forster 45
Maggie Forster 41
Eva Forster 16
John William Forster 13
Ada Mary Forster 8

name: Euphemia White
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place: , ROXBURGH, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
birth date: 26 Oct 1846
birthplace: , Roxburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John White Or Mill
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Fraeter
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11803-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1067951
reference number: - 2:18DS84B

I didn't know any of that when I first posted. The information I have I only found out yesterday. I am sorry if I have caused any upset. The information you have given me makes more sense than what I have been told. I can't see how he was married to Emily White, but that is what is on his death certificate and all family members (children) of William are deceased. All died in thier 40's.

Why didn't you tell us what you knew at the start............it would have saved a lot of time and effort

Obviously, the person who registered his death was misinformed.

But, even so,, the suggestion that he married Emily White was nonsense

Why did you say that, when you knew it wasn't accurate?

:-S

Why did you suggest he might have married Emily White

William came to Australia after marrying Elsie Annie woods. On his death certificate his parents are stated as euphenia grosert and Emily white. This can't be correct. Immediately family know nothing about the grandparents as they died when grandchildren were very small. I have ordered Williams birth certificate and marriage certificate hoping they will give me more information. I have his birth as 15 July 1886 but nothing to confirm this. The marriage is the only thing I am certain about.

Helen

Two possible births for Emily:

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
WHITE Emily Newcastle T. 10b 63

Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
White Emily Akenhead Newcastle T. 10b 154

Maggie in 1871:

1871 Scotland Census
about Maggy Ann White
Name: Maggy Ann White
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Registration number: 780
Registration district: Ancrum
Civil parish: Ancrum
County: Roxburghshire
Address: No 7
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 11
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1871_178
Household Members: Name Age
John White 61
Margaret White 62
John White 18
Isabella White Douglas 4
Maggy Ann White 1
Margaret Battie 35
James Battie 39

Euphemia in 1871:

1871 Scotland Census
about Euphemia White
Name: Euphemia White
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Roxburgh, ROX
Registration number: 780
Registration district: Ancrum
Civil parish: Ancrum
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Broom Farm House End Of Brown
Occupation: Domestic Servt
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_178
Household Members: Name Age
John Hume 56
Ann Johnston 30
Euphemia White 23

Euphemia in 1861:

1861 Scotland Census
about Euphemia White
Name: Euphemia White
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John White
Mother's name: Margret White
Gender: Female
Where born: Roxburghshire
Registration number: 775
Registration district: Galashiels
Civil parish: Galashiels
County: Selkirkshire
Address: Old Faldonside
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1861_139
Household Members: Name Age
John White 50 - Ag Lab
Margret White 51
Thomas White 24
Margret White 26
George White 16
Euphemia White 14
Janet White 10
John White 8

William and Euphemia's marriage cert would confirm father's name and occupation

So Emily COULD have been Maggie's daughter..........nice find Potty

Possible baptism for Maggie:

parents: Euphemia White

name: Maggie Ann White
gender: Female
birth date: 13 Jan 1870
birthplace: SELKIRK,SELKIRK,SCOTLAND
mother's name: Euphemia White
indexing project (batch) number: C11778-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

As per the marriage info posted earlier.........WHITE was Euphemia's name at the time she married William

1881 England Census

Name: Euphemia Grossart
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Grossart
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Westgate
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 47 Villa Place
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5049
Folio: 47
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Grossart 38
Euphemia Grossart 34
Magie A. Grossart 11
Isabella Grossart 5
William Runciman 22

The 1911 census has William and Euphemia married 35 years (so around 1875/1876).

Perhaps one of them had been married before and Emily was a granddaughter from one of the children from that marriage???

Kath. x

Could do with some feedback

The 1881 census (perhaps Emily White could be the daughter of Maggie A. Grosert):-

1881 census transcription details for: 47, Villa Place, Westgate

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5049
Folio: 47
Page: 22
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Westgate
Parish: Westgate
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 47, Villa Place, Westgate
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GROSSART, William Head Married M 38 1843 Cartman
Scotland
GROSSART, Euphemia Wife Married F 34 1847
Scotland
GROSSART, Magie A Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Scotland
GROSSART, Isabella Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Newcastle, Northumberland
RUNCIMAN, William Lodger Single M 22 1859 Railway Shunter
Scotland

In view of the marriage Reggie has found, are you perhaps mixing up William born c.1887 with his father who married Euphemia White?

Kath. x

I see Reggie's found another marriage possibility (more likely than the Scottish one I posted), but they still couldn't have become grandparents after 10 years of marriage.