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Sorry Flip,
I meant the witness on his wife's, Jemima.

I think there is some confusion here, there is normally only one person named on a death certificate as the informant - ie the person registering the death.

Hi Flip,
The info had just come from an elderly relative, will get back to them and ask if they know who the other witness's were,
Many Thanks.

Where did that snippet of info come from?? No probate record though for any more details.

If John was a soilder in 1901 then he could have been anywhere in 1911, he could have married anywhere (if at all) so it may be worth getting the death certificate narrowed down on page 1 to check who registered the death.

Wonder who registered Jemima's death in 1931 Ipswich?

Deaths Jun 1931 (>99%)
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Hawes Abraham J 81 Ipswich 4a 1013
Hawes Jemima 79 Ipswich 4a 1047

This is getting very interesting
Have just discovered that in 1931 he was a witness on his fathers death certificate .

Description: Medal card of Hawes, John H
Corps Regiment No Rank
Suffolk Regiment 320893 Private

(this on National Archives)

Chris :)

UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 about John H Hawes
Name: John H Hawes
Medal or Award: Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal
Service Year: 1914-1920
Service Location: Europe
Campaign or Service: World War I
Service number: Ch 14223

Doing a free search on FMP, this comes up;



Royal Marine Medal Roll 1914-1920
Last name First name(s) Rank Number View
details
HAWES John Henry Private CH/14223

According to 1901 census he was a soldier - there's nothing on A* military records, wonder if it is worth checking FMP to see if they have his enlistment & record - or are there other sites?

I would agree with that being the most likely death. Unfortunately no probate though. The one in 1963 grants probete to wife Emma Mabel (Brown) - married Yarmouth 1914 - so that marriage can also be ruled out.

So looking at the possible births of the same name;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
HAWES John Henry Norwich 4b 116
HAWES John Henry Newmarket 3b 597

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
Haws John Henry Plomesgate 4a 825

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Hawes John Henry Plomesgate 4a 819

So there is 4 born in total within 3 years, so lets see if we can trace all deaths.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about John Henry Hawes
Name: John Henry Hawes
Birth Date: 10 May 1883
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 789


Other possibles;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about John H Hawes
Name: John H Hawes
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1963
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 463

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about John H Hawes
Name: John H Hawes
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1940
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: North Bucks
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 3066

And then the 1 MC posted;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Hawes John Henry 19 Plomesgate 4a 523


If it were me I think I would consider the North Bucks 1 myself. The Cambridge death was possibly born in Newmarket, the Yarmouth death was most likely the Norwich birth and the Plomesgate 1 most likely the 1885 Plomesgate birth...... the only 1 that doesn't fit is the Buckinghamshire death.

it's getting comlicated again !!

That's possible Flip, I'd tied the death in to the 1884 birth posted further up

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1884 (>99%)

Haws John Henry Plomesgate 4a 825

Not sure of that death MC - think it may be this one?:

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
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Hawes John Henry Plomesgate 4a 819

Hi Flip,
I have his parents, Abraham Hawes & Jemima Martin, There were that i know of Ten children, it was complicated to sort out as several of the children were born out of wedlock and baptised as Martin, they then had their name changed to Hawes when their parents married in 1875.
I found John on the 1901 census but not on the 1911 one, but it looks like "Marie Celeste" could have just found him for me,
Many thanks for your help.
Will let you know if A* member contacts me.

Could this be his death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: John Henry Hawes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Plomesgate
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 523

How and why are you researching John please? Just not clear how you've got back to him, but it would help to know.

OK, message sent to the tree owner on A* (Stephen Howes) - he is an active member so hopefully will make contact direct to your e-mail address. He, and another member, has the mother as Jemima Martin, but the other member has only researched one of their children and has no details for the rest of them.

I can contact them if you wish. You can't make contact without a membership, but they don't have anything on John after 1901 though.

Just let me know if you want me to make contact, and PM me your email address to pass on. Don;t post your address on here - not allowed.

Thanks BatMansDaughter, did'nt know of a middle name also thanks Jim The Ferret,
Flip, i've not got membership to A*, how can i contact person with tree ?